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I'm not talking about Communism I am talking about Socialism. That means there needs to be some integration between different elements.

My idea is like this: I want to get ppl, give them jobs, give them a place to live, give them food. Take away all the stress and give them more security. If they dont want to work they are out and back into the normal system.

There has to be integration between work, social life etc. I want to offer ppl a package. That can exist within the mainstream capitalist system.

So say I have money. I will attract ppl. Come and live in my system, within the current politics. This is structured like a business. My system will use money from the market. Use that money to rent properties. Get ppl. Offer them, a social system where they can meet and socialise with others, men and women, and form relationships. We will give you jobs, there are options. But everyone works equally hard. If you gotta do a harder job or a job is over or undersubsribed then those jobs we will give extra bonus or fewer hours. Ppl dont need to worry about jobs, we will allocate jobs to ppl. So this private company will say run some small business like whatever, website design, cafes, or provide workers to outside companies. We will have a department that looks at what jobs are availabel in the economy and we will do the job applications for our members. We will train or members, we will talk to businesses and tell them we can get them workers who are trained up.

All the ppl who wanna live in this system, we will find them jobs. They just gotta turn up and work to a decent standard. We will make sure they have a decent place to live and roommates and housing standards we are gonna make sure its ok. We are gonna make sure their food options are available and they dont have to worry about shopping or cooking cos we will do that in bulk for out ppl. We will negoitiate with suppliers of housing, electricity, food for our members to get good deals and we will have a professional department to do this so our ppl will get more from the market.

We want to make money so if our members want to start a business we will help where we can. Want a website we can do it for you as we have devs in house to launch it. Wanna start a YT channel we will help you out. Want to design clothing we will help you? Any business started by our members in their freetime with our help we will keep a cut of it. We are gonna make ppls normal working lives easier and less stressful. With new found time and energy these ppl have, we want them to start businesses and do other things to improve things. Cultural stuff, arts, music, new businesses etc we want to make basic survival easy and simple to make more time for these activities that will then benefit our system even more.
 

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I'm not talking about Communism I am talking about Socialism.
Socialism derives from communism you nutter and eventually leads to communism. Come over to Denmark (or Sweden), and pay 75% in taxes (highest tax bracket), plus on top of that 25% VAT tax on everything and let's see how you like that? It's pure fvcking theft. Period.
 

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Capitalism vs Socialism? I remember I was talking to this guy, he is a professor at the University.

He is always hating on AMLO, and AMLO is supposed to be a socialist, so I assumed he was a capitalist. So I was talking to him and I made a joke about capitalism, something along the lines of

"...This is the only time/example when capitalism actually works" I was joking but I remember he answered in a serious tone: "They both work. Both capitalism and socialism work, but they only work as long as they are well executed and the person in power is actually doing a good job and not just filling his own pockets".

Coming from someone I thought hated socialism, I was surprised to hear that. It always stuck with me.
 

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Right, just like "your" African brothers/ancestors sold their own kind to the slave trade then? Did Jesus protect "you" when the African tribes hunted down, captured people from other African tribes and sold them to the slave trade for massive profits?

C'mon this is so stupid that one even have to comment on this. The only thing that will happen is pure anarchy if the police is removed and loads of misery will follow.
You asked me a question and I gave you an honest answer so it doesn't really matter to me what you say. You only listen to what you want to hear.
 

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Don't have Fox news in Denmark so no.
The data is out there on the internet anyway so you can easily find it if you want.

It's just common sense that you are moron if you believe that removing the police force from the streets would make anything better.
That is just the definition of being a fool.
Then it's unfair that you live in Demark since European police have way better standards of conduct than American police does.
Even European police are shocked at how poor the policing is in America and that if they did the same thing, they would be out of a job.
How many European police stories (or Canadian for that matter) do you hear of police shooting 100 times into a black person?
 

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Capitalism vs Socialism? I remember I was talking to this guy, he is a professor at the University.

He is always hating on AMLO, and AMLO is supposed to be a socialist, so I assumed he was a capitalist. So I was talking to him and I made a joke about capitalism, something along the lines of

"...This is the only time/example when capitalism actually works" I was joking but I remember he answered in a serious tone: "They both work. Both capitalism and socialism work, but they only work as long as they are well executed and the person in power is actually doing a good job and not just filling his own pockets".

Coming from someone I thought hated socialism, I was surprised to hear that. It always stuck with me.
But that is a lie though because communism cannot work as it based on that you have to steal other peoples resources to make it work and quote "and the person in power is actually doing a good job and not just filling his own pockets" is exactly what happens every time as socialist leaders always fill their won pockets and let the people suffer.
 

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Socialism derives from communism you nutter and eventually leads to communism. Come over to Denmark (or Sweden), and pay 75% in taxes (highest tax bracket), plus on top of that 25% VAT tax on everything and let's see how you like that? It's pure fvcking theft. Period.
Its not theft. Go out into the wilderness alone which is just you and see if you want that life. For you to make money you are using infrastructure that the SOCIETY has already developed. If you think YOU did it yourself go to another country and see if you can do it there or in the wilderness.

Tax is annoying because the money is given and then taken from you, so it feels like you are paying. If you never got that money in the first place you wouldnt FEEL like you are paying tax. Your paycheck = Pay 10,000 - Tax=5,000 currently but I want a situation where it is paycheck=5,000.
 

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But that is a lie though because communism cannot work as it based on that you have to steal other peoples resources to make it work and quote "and the person in power is actually doing a good job and not just filling his own pockets" is exactly what happens every time as socialist leaders always fill their won pockets and let the people suffer.
You are in Demark so you are in a socialist country.
 

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Then it's unfair that you live in Demark since European police have way better standards of conduct than American police does.
Even European police are shocked at how poor the policing is in America and that if they did the same thing, they would be out of a job.
How many European police stories (or Canadian for that matter) do you hear of police shooting 100 times into a black person?
Nope, there is police have been doing problematic things here too. Its been cases where people have died when they got arrested. US police is not special in anyway way.

How many European police stories (or Canadian for that matter) do you hear of police shooting 100 times into a black person?
We do not have that issue and obsession's with race that you have in USA. No one cares really.
Also we do not have guns/citizens are not allowed to have guns, only the police/military are allow so the threat picture to the people working in the force.
 

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Its not theft. Go out into the wilderness alone which is just you and see if you want that life. For you to make money you are using infrastructure that the SOCIETY has already developed. If you think YOU did it yourself go to another country and see if you can do it there or in the wilderness.

Tax is annoying because the money is given and then taken from you, so it feels like you are paying. If you never got that money in the first place you wouldnt FEEL like you are paying tax. Your paycheck = Pay 10,000 - Tax=5,000 currently but I want a situation where it is paycheck=5,000.
So you are OK with paying 75% in tax then and also pay 25 VAt in addional tax on everything you buy from the little money you have left then?
You do not need to answer that because we already know your answer.
Of course no you are not ok with it.
 

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You only listen to what you want to hear.
Ha you're funny and and you didn't answer my question. Did Jesus protect people from slavery when the African tribes sold them?
No, of course not and Jesus will not protect you either when the police has ceased to exist in the society.
Nice deflection tactics, but it doesn't work on me.

Either way, I don't bother to comment on this anymore (Defund the police), is it is so retarded that it not worth the energy to any spend on it.
 

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Socialism derives from communism you nutter and eventually leads to communism. Come over to Denmark (or Sweden), and pay 75% in taxes (highest tax bracket), plus on top of that 25% VAT tax on everything and let's see how you like that? It's pure fvcking theft. Period.
When you work for a business, and your sales are 1M you may get paid 100K. You can say you made the company 250K in profit so maybe your paycheck will look like this.

Aeurelius Paycheck: Revenue Generated: 1million - Company costs: 700K - Profit for Shareholders:100K - Directors Salary:100K = 100K.
But you are not complaining about that 900K they are taking because you know that you never made that 1M by yourself. Go it alone and make 1M without working in that company then its different.

The Tax thing is the same. Except in Tax your paycheck looks like the above. Pay-Tax but in work or business you dont see the costs you just see the Pay. If your employe paycheck looked like the above then you would understand it is all the same. What you get is what you get the tax is the same as the business not giving you 100% of your contribution.

So Amazon has to pay Tax cos Amazon can only make money in a society with laws and infrastructure like roads. They dont wanna pay tax and they can get away with it. That needs to change. If Amazon thinks it dont need to pay Tax it should go into the wilderness and make its business there then it will find out it needs roads, internet, workers etc and soon be humbled.
 

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Communism cannot work
Maybe that´s a bit reducting? Someone could say "Capitalism cannot work". Heck, some people probably already had. They would probably point to any number of modern problems as examples of "Capitalism not working" and they may or may not be right.

I cant speak about other countries, but let me tell you a little bit about Mexico. AMLO was basically the first socialist president. Most presidents before him were basically capitalists (either officially or unofficially). So, if capitalism is so good, Mexico should be a f0cking Utopia by now after decades and decades of capitalist governments, but this is not the case.

I see you live in Denmark and pay a lot of taxes, which doesnt sound cool, I get that. But Im willing to bet that the average Denmark citizen still has a way better quality of life than the average Mexican.
 

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I see you live in Denmark and pay a lot of taxes, which doesnt sound cool, I get that. But Im willing to bet that the average Denmark citizen still has a way better quality of life than the average Mexican.
Well the Scandinavian countries have some of the highest living standard of the world, but it comes with price that everything here is insanely expensive and very high taxes. Free education and healthcare (dentist/dental care is not free), but that also comes with a price that the healthcare and education is somewhat mediocre. You want really high quality healthcare and education for yourself or your kids then you have to pay for it to actors of private sector.

You are in Demark so you are in a socialist country.
Nope, not really.
We're capitalist nations first.
But socialism is unfortunately strong here too.
 

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Humans are competitive by nature, societies will ALWAYS stratify, even in socialism and communism, to try to fight it is pretty brain dead. The only way this stops is when free energy becomes possible, because energy=power=money=influence=sex once it is plentiful and free, then and only then can we set off into a more altruistic mode.
 

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Humans are competitive by nature
Indeed.
People will always compete to secure resources to themselves, their nearest family and friends and attempt to improve their lives. It's just human nature and one of the reasons why Capitalisms work because it allows people willing to work for it to improve their lives. It encourage people to improve themselves for the benefit of society.

For example:
The bakers make freshly baked bread and pastries everyday and the best bakes makes more money than their lazy colleagues and people of course buy their bread which of course drives bakers to make even better products etc.
In all that service alone improve peoples lives involved in the process from seller to buyer and makes it easier than having to bake it yourself every day.

However In a communist society the bakers have no incentive to even go to work or compete against their fellow craftsmen, nor the less any drive to make and/or improve their products because they gain nothing from it.
 

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I think you dont understand what the term socialism can mean.

Take Andrew Tate. When the Tate brothers became wealthy how did they manage it. Andrew said it himself. The two brothers got together and decided one will get a job and support both while the other works on hustles. This is what allowed one of them to focus on making money.

The 'Socialism' concept I am referring to is how they worked as team collectively. Now if they both said fvck this we dont need to collectivise you get a job and I get a job they would never have made it rich.

Ofcourse Tate is not smart enough to understand that this is a form of Socialism ie Collectivism and this is what I am referring to. Currently in Capitalism we the ppl are not working as a team collectively, we are just each of us going into the market to get a job and make money, we are just competing with each other, driving up prices and driving down wages. We have to collectivise and say we are not gonna outbid each other to work for less and pay more for the same property.

But its Capitalism which is making us all compete with each other hence things are expensive and pay is low because we all want to beat each other when in reality 99% of us are losing and the 1% is winning. Socialism exists at the top where they have networks and help each other out and individualism exists at the bottom when average guys are looking at other average ppl thinking they are lazy and I am a hardworker and better than him.

Your only competition is the top 1% not the average joe and its important you understand this. EVERYONE is working hard and no one more-so than the ones at the bottom. Look I know ppl think there are lazy scroungers out there but I have seen and know the poorest work the hardest, those single mums in the ghetto dont bat an eyelid at working 60hrs a week to feed their kids, the delivery driver for Amazon works 12hr days, Hell, recently a delivery driver died AT THE WHEEL IN THE DEPO after being made to work 16hr days for weeks on end. He was a young man just working hard like you guys are saying.

Theres no lazy ppl in the ghetto or poor areas. Everyone is working hard and we have record employment. All that is happening is that more and more ppl are working hard to make the rich richer and everything is going tits up. We have to collectivise to get better pay and conditions and stop things from getting too expensive. This is socialism.

However In a communist society the bakers have no incentive to even go to work or compete against their fellow craftsmen, nor the less any drive to make and/or improve their products because they gain nothing from it.
This is not true. In a socialist system the gov or centralised group will help local breadmakers make good bread so everyone benefits. Only the gov has the ability to make sure everyone has cheap quality bread. Good breadmakers can get more of whatever, in socialism not everyone has to be equal completely. But in Capitalism the gov which has the most power doesnt get involved in breadmaking, then the breadmakers might just leave and do another job, then the ppl will have no bread. Or what if one breadmaker has a monopoly it will just raise prices and the ppl have no choice until a new breadmaker comes but if no one else knows how to bake bread then there is no bread in the town. At that point the gov has to step in and use its resources to make sure good bread is available cos otherwise the market may not deliver.

So in Capitalism the Gov doesnt care about the ppl getting bread. It just says Capitalism will sort it out we dont need to care. But in socialism the gov gets involved to make sure Capitalism or breadmakers are doing a good job and if not they intervene.
 
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Nope, not really.
We're capitalist nations first.
But socialism is unfortunately strong here too.
Then allow me to clairfy. For purposes of discussion, when we talk about socialism, we are talking about the models of capitalism of Western Europe and in particular countries like Denmark or Norway that have robust social investments, have prisons that are like hotels which focus on rehabilitation, have a fair police force, free health care, free education, and otherwise a positive society overall to be in.
 

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Ha you're funny and and you didn't answer my question. Did Jesus protect people from slavery when the African tribes sold them?
No, of course not and Jesus will not protect you either when the police has ceased to exist in the society.
Nice deflection tactics, but it doesn't work on me.

Either way, I don't bother to comment on this anymore (Defund the police), is it is so retarded that it not worth the energy to any spend on it.
I answered your question about WHO would we call for help. Whatever else you are saying after I replied to that indicates you don't like my answer and came up with other rhetorical questions that frankly have nothing to do with my personal safety.
 
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