Mating market in relation to high profile single moms

[BaronOfHair]

express your personality in your attire as communication is nonverbal and as such you need something about you to pop if you’re going to seduce

Yep. This is what I find most perplexing/frustrating about that portion of modern men who assert "We're going on our own way/Don't care what people think..."

Obviously, they care enough to regularly flip so-called Normie Society the bird, by DELIBERATELY walking around town looking, speaking, and behaving like basement dwelling neckbeards. Then have the gaul to show up on YT or Facebook, screeching:


"Society hates me!!! Everyone from wait staff to fellow patrons scowl, whenever I walk into a restaurant. Hell, at least a couple have instructed me to leave, put on something more appropriate than my Megadeath T-shirt, comb my hair, get the Pork Rind crumbs out of my beard, throw on deodorant, THEN come back in... How dare those Blue Pill Cucks act as if we're at Baltaire in '25, rather than Woodstock in '68, insist that everyone in the establishment at least PRETEND they're part of the human race, rather than something that belongs in the primate cage down at the zoo!!!"

 

[SW15]

I’m 100% for good grooming and good style/fashion sense.

But on the clothing issue, I think it’s only a problem if it’s really bad style. Dressing average is neutral. Dressing well is only a very slight positive IME. At work, I only got compliments from one female friend and coworker because she was also big into clothing shopping. Nobody else cared if I had a new, well put together outfit.

TLDR: I love good style/fashion for its own sake and recommend it, but I think it’s overrated as far as women go.

Style with clothing and accessories has a minimal impact on seduction outcomes. Style in general falls under looks in relation to 'looks, money, status, and personality', but can reflect money with certain brands.

Strong, well put together outfits won't get that much attention, unless the brands are very well known as higher end brands.

I have included a couple of threads below where these topics were explored in more detail. The consensus has been that height and muscles matter far more than clothing and style (see this thread and the first thread). As for Rolexes and luxury watches, very few luxury watches will help in terms of seduction but an obvious gold Rolex has the best chance of helping. Steel Rolexes have virtually no impact on initial seduction outcomes, but might be useful in post-sex retention.

Impressing a woman with an outfit

Here's what I wore to work today (this is also something I might wear on a weekend) In terms of tickling a woman's fancy, how would I fare in this outfit? (When posing for a picture, my shirt looks a lot more wrinkly than it really is)

www.sosuave.net

Will a Rolex Get You Laid? Will a Rolex Help You Get a Longer Term Girlfriend?

https://nypost.com/2013/01/16/meet-the-rolex-romeos/ Rolex is one of the most prestigious brands. To get a Rolex time piece, expect to spend more than $8,000. While there are other watch brands, Rolex is the one most well known. If a man isn't getting laid and is struggling in...

www.sosuave.net

If a man owns a gold Rolex, he likely has SMV options that are above any single mom, including higher profile single moms.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Yep. This is what I find most perplexing/frustrating about that portion of modern men who assert "We're going on our own way/Don't care what people think..."

Obviously, they care enough to regularly flip so-called Normie Society the bird, by DELIBERATELY walking around town looking, speaking, and behaving like basement dwelling neckbeards. Then have the gaul to show up on YT or Facebook, screeching:


"Society hates me!!! Everyone from wait staff to fellow patrons scowl, whenever I walk into a restaurant. Hell, at least a couple have instructed me to leave, put on something more appropriate than my Megadeath T-shirt, comb my hair, get the Pork Rind crumbs out of my beard, throw on deodorant, THEN come back in... How dare those Blue Pill Cucks act as if we're at Baltaire in '25, rather than Woodstock in '68, insist that everyone in the establishment at least PRETEND they're part of the human race, rather than something that belongs in the primate cage down at the zoo!!!"

I got a $4,000 Armani suit at the outlets over Labor Day for $680 all in. I got $1,000 worth of On Clouds for about $550. Two Gucci ties, $350. I was like a kid on Christmas. There is no excuse

 

[BaronOfHair]

There is no excuse

Of course there is, 3!!! As we all learned in the pews of MGTOW's high priests, all the misfortune and dissatisfaction in our lives is almost entirely attributable to ONE cause: Gynocentrism!!!

Pointing out that for all of "The System(Whatever the hell THAT means anymore)'s flaws, we're often failing to do the most basic things to uplift ourselves, has become more antiquated than outhouses and TRL, here in '25

 

[MatureDJ]

I’m 100% for good grooming and good style/fashion sense. I don’t know MDJ’s style.

But on the clothing issue, I think it’s only a problem if it’s really bad style. Dressing average is neutral. Dressing well is only a very slight positive IME. At work, I only got compliments from one female friend and coworker because she was also big into clothing shopping. Nobody else cared if I had a new, well put together outfit.

TLDR: I love good style/fashion for its own sake and recommend it, but I think it’s overrated as far as women go. (I watch that YT channel among others.)

A lot of chicks will go for Chad wearing a shirt not tucked in, with a baseball cap on backwards, etc. - so I call BS.

 

[MatureDJ]

MDJ’s style is sweatshirt on indented couch bytching and moaning about why he isn’t getting laid

don’t ever dress average - if you’re going to the office dress on the edge for that - if you’re going out socially do the same - the only place you shouldn’t be trying to be too crazy is the gym but even in the gym you want what’s going to get you from point a to b comfortably

express your personality in your attire as communication is nonverbal and as such you need something about you to pop if you’re going to seduce

Actually, my style when I'm in sociable mode is to wear a nice Polo type shirt or a long-sleeved knit shirt or a fleece type of shirt if it's cold about, and I think that the venue might have the heat not too high up.

 

[SW15]

nice Polo type shirt

That's age appropriate.

When I think of Polo and collared type shirts, I think of middle aged men and above. I don't recommend collared shirts for younger men as they typically don't turn on women.

I prefer t-shirts to collared shirts.

long-sleeved knit shirt or a fleece type of shirt

That's decent. I don't think that would move the needle higher for any men in terms of attraction. It wouldn't be considered bad style that would be a turn off.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Style with clothing and accessories has a minimal impact on seduction outcomes

Brings us back around to Obliquity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obliquity_(book)

Freshen up regularly for YOURSELF, first and foremost. This keeps your psychological state and self-concept strong, which has the side-effect of making you more attractive

 

[Divorced w 3]

A lot of chicks will go for Chad wearing a shirt not tucked in, with a baseball cap on backwards, etc. - so I call BS.

That’s 98% of my wardrobe

 

[BaronOfHair]

A lot of chicks will go for Chad wearing a shirt not tucked in, with a baseball cap on backwards...

That may be so, for these hypothetical Chads... What are YOU personally doing to level up? This endless kvetching over the ways in which SOME fellas MIGHT have it easy is The Manosphere equivalent of chicks lamenting how they're not as leggy/chesty/bootylicious as (insert some actress, PopStar, or E-Celeb), yet rarely saying to themselves:

"I've identified my obstacle to attracting the sort of men I desire, great... Now what? Can I

-Scrounge up the cash for a push-up bra/possibly breast enlargement?

-Get some heels, since I'm only 5'3, and thus don't naturally have legs like Kate Upton? This works pretty well for gals like Amanda Seyfried and Lucy Hale

-Get a firmer, perkier ass via exercise, a butt lift, or a combination of the two?"

 

[Sega Genesis]

The late John Kennedy Jr. (left)--->>

Bradley Cooper (right) and you'd think he'd know better geez --->>

 

[Solomon]

Woman next door to me maybe a 6 , two kids AND reconnecting with the father… I roll in at 1:30am and she and the baby are watching some dude I’ve never seen before walk back to his pickup and she looks at me like she’s busted and I’m just like hey, and I go inside

there is no shortage of men

my ex wife would say the same and she really let herself go the last 5+ years

The mystical wall that RPers and Blackpillers love to spout is nonsense in the real world, women will always have options even a single mother who is a "6" will have options. My neighbor who is average with 2 kids, has this simp guy for years who has none, I have heard them argue and words like "you always try to emasculate me" was one of the talking points, 2 years later the simp is still with the chick

 

[SW15]

The mystical wall that RPers and Blackpillers love to spout is nonsense in the real world, women will always have options even a single mother who is a "6" will have options.

Roosh even wrote about this in 2014.

The Wall Is Softer Than We Think

 

[HaleyBaron]

Fashion isn't everything. Wear what works for the context. Walking into a bar with a suit is weird. So is walking with one into a sports bar or a music festival.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

The mystical wall that RPers and Blackpillers love to spout is nonsense in the real world, women will always have options even a single mother who is a "6" will have options. My neighbor who is average with 2 kids, has this simp guy for years who has none, I have heard them argue and words like "you always try to emasculate me" was one of the talking points, 2 years later the simp is still with the chick

I agree when you say "women Will always have options" BUT not necessarily the options they really want

 

[BaronOfHair]

...not necessarily the options they really want

Who among us does? Every heterosexual man on Earth fantasized about taking Kate Upton to bed, when she first appeared on the cover of SI, even though intellectually, everyone except Verlander recognized:

"My chances of so much as smelling her butthole are weaker than the average Muscovite's chances of being able to denounce Putin publicly, WITHOUT being rubbed out by The SVR, 10 minutes after the fact"

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Who among us does?

Not sure what that has to do with The Wall. BUT here's the thing about not having what you want:

It you put in the work, sometimes you will find what you need (Thanks, Rolling Stones). What @Gamisch said a few days ago comes to mind: Stop whining, start Shining.

 

[SW15]

I agree when you say "women Will always have options" BUT not necessarily the options they really want

This is one of the biggest issues for women. They often get too fussy with all their options.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Not sure what that has to do with The Wall

Read the sentences which proceeded that one

Every heterosexual man on Earth fantasized about taking Kate Upton to bed, when she first appeared on the cover of SI, even though intellectually, everyone except Verlander recognized:

"My chances of so much as smelling her butthole are weaker than the average Muscovite's chances of being able to denounce Putin publicly, WITHOUT being rubbed out by The SVR, 10 minutes after the fact"

Few people(Men AND Women alike)on Earth have "all the options" they'd prefer. Almost everyone WANTS to bone(or be boned by)glamorous, beautiful celebrities, yet most will never get very far beyond fantasizing about such things

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Read the sentences which proceeded that one

Few people(Men AND Women alike)on Earth have "all the options" they'd prefer. Almost everyone WANTS to bone(or be boned by)glamorous, beautiful celebrities, yet most will never get very far beyond fantasizing about such things

That part I got. Sometimes I think some members here focus too much on the wrong things. Anyways, thank you for your replies.