"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Masters Forum
- Thread starter Demon
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Do 17 year-olds today, really have that much game, that they can actually request a separate Master's forum, to help propel their skillz, from an apparently stagnant mold of DJ's in our current forums????????......
Well,..I guess if us regular DJ's are holding you back from your potential,..then..why not....
Allen, will you please consider giving them a Masters Forum?
All I have to say is, long gone are the days, when 17 still meant a magazine and some vaseline, and not actually getting to fukk Pamela Anderson
The Edge ' Some have it, and some don't '
Giovanni Casanova
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whatsupwiddat
Master Don Juan
then keep this in mind: sosuave back in 2000, 2001, and oart of 2002 was like family. We like family don't we? I like to talk to the people I got to know seduction with more than I do talking to them through useless newbie posts that don't help. Also, we can hammer out strategies to improve forums. I'd consider it productive, in fact. I'm for this idea, if it matters.think about this, you are going to have 10 people at masters forum with threads like "wow, look, im an elite DJ. god damn!"
and then the forums would die.
I agree there is some stupidity on these forums (read:noobs), but this is by far one of the best and friendliest forums ive ever been on.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
SexPDX
Master Don Juan
I still think it is this way. It's actually what's kept me posting here as long as I have. Compared to the other major public forums sosuave has two major advantages...
1) Variety. There are a lot of people here with lots of different kinds of goals which leads to a lot of interesting discussions that just would not happen on more "conformist" discussion areas. Sure there is a lot of flaming and arguments over "holy war" type issues that will never really be resolved but nonetheless it makes for interesting discussions a lot of the time.
2) The FAMILY type atmosphere that whatsupwiddat is talking about. Sosuavers really do act like more of a family whereas other seduction boards are more like a bunch of strangers who are jockeying with each other for attention, kind of like a school yard or a prison cell block at times. LOL!
I used to think an advanced forum was a good idea here but I have reconsidered that position for the reasons below.
Allen just isn't going to do it and I don't blame him because it doesn't really benefit him. He is trying to sell Doc Love courseware here and if there were a bunch of advanced guys discussing stuff here amongst themselves without newbie interruption then that would take away from the perception of the Doc Love courseware as being the "advanced" part of the site. The Doc Love courseware IS the advanced part of the site, or so Allen wants the newbies to see it.
Nothing is stopping anyone from doing what myself and some others have done already which is to create a private forum for people who you consider your "clique" or "family" who you met here where you can have discussions about things you want to keep private while posting your public contributions here. This way, people can keep like-minded people in their respective private groups to discuss that which you want to discuss with other like-minded people and post your contributions you would like to make PUBLIC here.
BTW, I recommend MSN groups for this purpose because of security, good forum interface and the capability to post pics. And don't listen to the people who say further fragmentation of the seduction community is a bad thing because that is just coming from people who want to be the only game in town.
-PDX
fragmentor
Senior Don Juan
Erm, guys I'm not sure if you've noticed but there already is "Masters Forum" (kind of) with all these capabilities already. The High School Board I've been running for a while (http://www.furyhardware.co.uk/dj) is strictly only for DJs already with great 'game' that wish to expand their skills.
Currently the board has been dealing specifically with Speed Seduction for high school (experimenting really) but due to lack of activity (although some great posts from 'that cookie guy') I could easily adapt it into a "Master Only" Forum, or at least add another and password protect it, giving the pass to DJs who have proven they know their sh!t. It would be nice to get away from all the "this girl looked at me and asked me what the time is - what does this mean???" crap. Would this be a worthwhile idea? Criticism/encouragement please.
It's quite sad to see this actually. Master's Forum? What for? So all the "experienced" guys can get together and giggle about their superiority?
This board works this way: New guys come in clueless, have experienced members show them the ropes, they get some experience and understanding, then they become experienced themselves.
It's a self-feeding system. So what would happen if all the "Masters" (which is what you all seem to want to call yourselves) went off to their own private ego-feeding corner and basked in their glory? One, this board would really deteriorate. And TWO, you "masters" would fall back into your clueless ways.
The reason I still come here from time to time is because of what Nick said ; there's VARIETY on these boards. This allows different opinions and different ideas to be shared. If all you supposed heroes got together, that pool of ideas would get stagnant fast. You need new ideas to continue evolving.
And I really notice that it's only the 2001 and 2002 crowd who think the board was great "way back when". The board has changed over the years as members have come and gone, but it certainly hasn't deteriorated. The only thing that's happened is that it's grown in popularity.
What would have happened if in January 2001 the experienced
members decided to have their own "elite corner" and disappear along with all the experience and knowledge they obtained and could share. None of you here could then consider yourselves experienced let alone "Masters"
I remember syncmaster proposing and setting up his own message board for the older members way back in 2001. He didn't mean any harm, but the other members who were "invited" told him off and didn't patronise it. I kept in touch with him over email, and he too realised the importance of the experienced staying here and helping out the new guys if possible. Breaking the forum members into little cliques isn't going to help anyone.
That's my say in the matter. It's a dumb idea to have a supposed "Masters Forum".
- Raoul
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
"prove that they could pick up chicks".
This could be required of all masters. What else, oh to stay in you could have a qouta, a single guy would have to get laid 15 times a month with and have a variety of at least three different women each month. A guy in a ltr has to get laid at least 25 times a month, but he only has to have sex with 2 different women a month. Of course this would all have to be verified, video cameras
. We could then have different levels of "masterdom" guys who get threesomes regularly(at least once week) could be in a whole seprate forum and so on and so forth.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
T Dog
Master Don Juan
We all live very active lives and the Return on Investment at SoSuave is the lowest for us, becuase of the time that it takes to find a nugget of new or worth wild info here.
I have seen my game needing a nitro boost lately and I came back to SoSuave. But after reading thru the posters and the repliers I realized that I don't know any of these people. Reading thru the titles of the post didn't tap any feeling of importants either.
This is what I think this is what everyone is feeling. At least this is what I am feeling.
There fore, instead of a master forum, with all it's limits and faults, if it is possible to add a search variable for Dj's with over X number of posts to pop up, we could easily find many articles to read, relate, and respond to.
T Dog
T Dog
Master Don Juan
I agree there is a lot of ego stroking members here.
I'm not suggesting a Masters Forum, but a search filter that searches for tread starters with posts over say 150.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.