Marco Rubio is probably your next president....

[Sprayarc]

Hardcore conservatives are anti-abortion. They want Planned Parenthood de-funded. They also want a candidate who identifies closely with the church. Trump is pro-choice, supports Planned Parenthood, and he makes Hillary look churchy by comparison. The Pope actually singled out Trump and accused him of not being a Christian.

Republican conservatives have always felt like their candidate was God's choice. As absurd as it is to think of Dubya as an angel and Al Gore as a devil, they really do think that way. But this time, no one can see Trump as an angel.

Presidencies are like long, bad relationships that America has with one man. When it's over, we typically choose the most opposite new candidate from the last sitting president. Dubya set up Obama. And now it looks like Obama is setting up Trump.

Yup. I wish the conservatives didn't base their choice on whether the candidate claims he's a Christian or not. Any politician can claim they're one but that's just to get votes.

Bush 2 was a rhino who got us into expensive wars that we didn't need to be in.

He wasted money. The patriot act. Clinton may have passed legislation forcing banks issue mortgage loans to people who can't afford them, but Bush deregulated derivatives and that led to the financial crisis.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Trump is winning because he's basically saying "government sucks" which pretty much everybody agrees with. The problem with his slogan "Make america great again" is he has no idea how to do that, because he doesn't really understand the depth of the problems. He himself is not really a "businessman" as his fortunes have largely been made due to his government connections.

He's just like any other power hungry politician who says whatever people want to hear. He's just a lot better at it, AND he can get away with saying pretty much anything since he's using his won money.

The reason the GOP hates him so much has zero to do with his issues but moreso than he's not an "insider" (bought and paid for). Issues mean nothing to these idiots because they flip flop all the time. Trump is somebody that they (the GOP or more specifically their corporate string pullers) have NO control over.

A Trump presidency will be a disaster. A clinton presidency will be a disaster.

Just like everybody was so EXCITED when Obama won, thinking everything would magically change, but just got worse.

Same will happen when Trump is elected (or hillary).

We are so fvcked either way. Expecting "change" with Hillary or Trump is like thinking that changing doctors is going to make a difference when you've got two weeks to live.

 

[Sprayarc]

Trump is winning because he's basically saying "government sucks" which pretty much everybody agrees with. The problem with his slogan "Make america great again" is he has no idea how to do that, because he doesn't really understand the depth of the problems. He himself is not really a "businessman" as his fortunes have largely been made due to his government connections.

He's just like any other power hungry politician who says whatever people want to hear. He's just a lot better at it, AND he can get away with saying pretty much anything since he's using his won money.

The reason the GOP hates him so much has zero to do with his issues but moreso than he's not an "insider" (bought and paid for). Issues mean nothing to these idiots because they flip flop all the time. Trump is somebody that they (the GOP or more specifically their corporate string pullers) have NO control over.

A Trump presidency will be a disaster. A clinton presidency will be a disaster.

Just like everybody was so EXCITED when Obama won, thinking everything would magically change, but just got worse.

Same will happen when Trump is elected (or hillary).

We are so fvcked either way. Expecting "change" with Hillary or Trump is like thinking that changing doctors is going to make a difference when you've got two weeks to live.

This is just your personal opinion. Maybe your right and maybe not.

I'd think he's economically literate. If his actions in office result in our economy flourishing than that's what we need.

What do you know? I mean you don't know what he really knows or what his plans are.

I think the United States is to easy on other countries economically. One example is China. If we start slapping tariffs on Chinese imports it will raise the price of Chinese goods making it easier for American companies to compete. Keeping more money in the country.

If he manages to get rid of nafta, or change it enough so it doesn't suck as much money out of the country.

Who would you suggest the best candidate would be?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

All laws are made and passed by congress. The president can only sign them or veto them.

Nafta, tarrifs, and everything else require congressional approval. congress is bought and paid for by CEO's. So they create laws and pass them that CEO's want them to pass.

The only thing Trump could possibly do would be to do what you suggested by executive order. But even that would be disastrous, economically. If he passed Tarrifs on China, for example, all that would do would make Chinese imports more expensive. Sure, american products would be "competive" by comparison, but that would require products to be MORE EXPENSIVE. That will hurt the economy, not help it.

And that would further kill the Chinese economy, which is going to drag everything down with it any way.

Increasing tarrifs during the depression (something that 3000 economists BEGGED FDR NOT to do) is what led to trade wars, and nationalism.

Get rid of NAFTA?

That would FORCE companies to bring labor back to the united states, which would significantly increase their labor costs, which would either make their products WAY more expensive, or simply put them out of business. Or force them to lay off massive people.

The globalization (cheap labor) over the past couple decades is one reason we haven't had hyperinflation. You start increasing american labor, and you get hyperinflation with all the frikking money that's swirling around in the system.

Even the PERFECT CANDIDATE (which doesn't really exist) wouldn't be able to do much, because the economic problems are STRUCTURAL, not because of wrong policy.

No policy will "fix things" without really causing more harm than good.

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is better than hillary. But I honestly don't think he has ANY IDEA policy wise what to do, because he's main thrust is just to change the status quo.

If I'm wrong, PLEASE list any SPECIFIC plans he has (other than what you've mentioned) and I'll tell you why it WON'T work.

 

[Sprayarc]

All laws are made and passed by congress. The president can only sign them or veto them.

Nafta, tarrifs, and everything else require congressional approval. congress is bought and paid for by CEO's. So they create laws and pass them that CEO's want them to pass.

The only thing Trump could possibly do would be to do what you suggested by executive order. But even that would be disastrous, economically. If he passed Tarrifs on China, for example, all that would do would make Chinese imports more expensive. Sure, american products would be "competive" by comparison, but that would require products to be MORE EXPENSIVE. That will hurt the economy, not help it.

And that would further kill the Chinese economy, which is going to drag everything down with it any way.

Increasing tarrifs during the depression (something that 3000 economists BEGGED FDR NOT to do) is what led to trade wars, and nationalism.

Get rid of NAFTA?

That would FORCE companies to bring labor back to the united states, which would significantly increase their labor costs, which would either make their products WAY more expensive, or simply put them out of business. Or force them to lay off massive people.

The globalization (cheap labor) over the past couple decades is one reason we haven't had hyperinflation. You start increasing american labor, and you get hyperinflation with all the frikking money that's swirling around in the system.

Even the PERFECT CANDIDATE (which doesn't really exist) wouldn't be able to do much, because the economic problems are STRUCTURAL, not because of wrong policy.

No policy will "fix things" without really causing more harm than good.

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is better than hillary. But I honestly don't think he has ANY IDEA policy wise what to do, because he's main thrust is just to change the status quo.

If I'm wrong, PLEASE list any SPECIFIC plans he has (other than what you've mentioned) and I'll tell you why it WON'T work.

Fair enough. You've made some good points. Especially about congress.

So what would your solution be to fix the economy? I mean you seem to be economically literate.

Oh and it seems to me that nafta was a bad idea from the start but it's to late to go back on it now, like you said.

 

[Sprayarc]

All laws are made and passed by congress. The president can only sign them or veto them.

Nafta, tarrifs, and everything else require congressional approval. congress is bought and paid for by CEO's. So they create laws and pass them that CEO's want them to pass.

The only thing Trump could possibly do would be to do what you suggested by executive order. But even that would be disastrous, economically. If he passed Tarrifs on China, for example, all that would do would make Chinese imports more expensive. Sure, american products would be "competive" by comparison, but that would require products to be MORE EXPENSIVE. That will hurt the economy, not help it.

And that would further kill the Chinese economy, which is going to drag everything down with it any way.

Increasing tarrifs during the depression (something that 3000 economists BEGGED FDR NOT to do) is what led to trade wars, and nationalism.

Get rid of NAFTA?

That would FORCE companies to bring labor back to the united states, which would significantly increase their labor costs, which would either make their products WAY more expensive, or simply put them out of business. Or force them to lay off massive people.

The globalization (cheap labor) over the past couple decades is one reason we haven't had hyperinflation. You start increasing american labor, and you get hyperinflation with all the frikking money that's swirling around in the system.

Even the PERFECT CANDIDATE (which doesn't really exist) wouldn't be able to do much, because the economic problems are STRUCTURAL, not because of wrong policy.

No policy will "fix things" without really causing more harm than good.

Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is better than hillary. But I honestly don't think he has ANY IDEA policy wise what to do, because he's main thrust is just to change the status quo.

If I'm wrong, PLEASE list any SPECIFIC plans he has (other than what you've mentioned) and I'll tell you why it WON'T work.

1. Tax relief for middle class Americans: In order to achieve the American dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages.
2. Simplify the tax code to reduce the headaches Americans face in preparing their taxes and let everyone keep more of their money.
3. Grow the American economy by discouraging corporate inversions, adding a huge number of new jobs, and making America globally competitive again.
4. Doesn’t add to our debt and deficit, which are already too large.

The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

1. If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
2. All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
3. No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
4. No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.

The Trump Tax Plan Is Revenue Neutral



The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:

1. Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.
2. A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.
3. Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.

 

[Sprayarc]

I hate politics. Both sides are messed up. They have divided America to the point where everyone is at each others throats about any minor political issue.
And this is how America falls...
United we stand, divided we fall.
And both parties are dividing us just so that they can feed off of that division. However, it makes America weaker.

Lesser if two evils. Which is least worst.

 

[Bible_Belt]

All of the Republicans have tax plans that would end up benefitting only the richest people. There would be a brief economic boost, but then the government would implode even faster under its own debt, by collecting much less than it spends every year.

That's what I liked about Bernie Sanders. If the country was a bus that was inevitably going to crash, he's the guy to get us there the fastest and get it over with.

 

[Sprayarc]

All of the Republicans have tax plans that would end up benefitting only the richest people. There would be a brief economic boost, but then the government would implode even faster under its own debt, by collecting much less than it spends every year.

That's what I liked about Bernie Sanders. If the country was a bus that was inevitably going to crash, he's the guy to get us there the fastest and get it over with.

Haha.
"Self Improvement Is Masturbation But Self Destruction Is The Answer."

 

[Jaylan]

Hitler was a fascist.

Socialism =/= fascism

 

[Jaylan]

People who compare trump to Hitler are ridiculous. Hitler was a socialist. Very anti capitalism. Also Hitler was a failure most of his life. Trump is a successful business man.

He's not even racist. It's not racist to want to secure our borders. It's not racist to not allow Muslims in to our country until we have a method to properly vet Muslim immigrants.

I guarantee you have zero evidence that he is a racist.

Retweeting bs memes that originated in Nazi twitter accounts sure makes Trump look racist.

He's done this a few times BTW. And it was well reported

 

[Sprayarc]

Retweeting bs memes that originated in Nazi twitter accounts sure makes Trump look racist.

He's done this a few times BTW. And it was well reported

Sources.

 

[Jaylan]

Don't be lazy

Sources.

Did you even see the excuses he made in interviews blaming interns or saying he doesn't have time to fact check stuff?

It's pathetic behavior from a presidential candidate

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...o-nazi-and-this-is-how-the-media-reported-it/


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...mp-tweets-apparent-neo-nazi-supporter-n502136

 

[Jaylan]

BTW that fake crime stats tweet is gonna bite him in the ass in a general election... Watch the dems combine it with footage of his white supremacist supporters.

 

[Sprayarc]

Hitler was a fascist.

Socialism =/= fascism

Socialism is fascism. Look at Sweden

Don't be lazy
Did you even see the excuses he made in interviews blaming interns or saying he doesn't have time to fact check stuff?

It's pathetic behavior from a presidential candidate

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...o-nazi-and-this-is-how-the-media-reported-it/


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics

Don't be lazy
Did you even see the excuses he made in interviews blaming interns or saying he doesn't have time to fact check stuff?

It's pathetic behavior from a presidential candidate

[URL]http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/23/3724989/trump-tweets-fabricated-murder-stats-from-a-neo-nazi-and-this-is-how-the-media-reported-it/

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...mp-tweets-apparent-neo-nazi-supporter-n502136

/2016-election/donald-trump-tweets-apparent-neo-nazi-supporter-n502136[/URL]

This article just claims the statistics were manipulated or false. It doesn't explain or back up is accusations. How the numbers are gotten matter.

But if groups like black lives matters are accepted, why wouldn't you be fair and be so accepting of neo Nazis or the kkk?

I mean the kkk was founded by democrats to oppose the republicans who were attempting to give blacks economical and political equality.

 

[Sprayarc]

BTW that fake crime stats tweet is gonna bite him in the ass in a general election... Watch the dems combine it with footage of his white supremacist supporters.

You mean the black men dressed up as kkk members holding signs supporting trump?

 

[Jaylan]

You mean the black men dressed up as kkk members holding signs supporting trump?

No I mean David Duke.

And I mean the racists caught on the news today shoving and yelling slurs at a black girl who was by herself at a Trump rally.

Do you even pay attention to what's going on?

 

[Jaylan]

Socialism is fascism. Look at Sweden

This article just claims the statistics were manipulated or false. It doesn't explain or back up is accusations. How the numbers are gotten matter.

But if groups like black lives matters are accepted, why wouldn't you be fair and be so accepting of neo Nazis or the kkk?

I mean the kkk was founded by democrats to oppose the republicans who were attempting to give blacks economical and political equality.

The fact is that the numbers were made-up bull**** from a fake organization in a tweet from a white nationalist twitter feed that Trump proudly retweeted and never removed. Despite being told of the real FBI stats.

Don't try to shift discussion into BLM. Trump has alienated so many key general demographics over the last year. Blacks, Latinos, women, veterans, Asians, and especially independents.

Like I said earlier...good luck in the fall.

PS - and don't be stupid and compare BLM to the KKK. Who has BLM lynched? What churches have they burned or blown up? What facts can you share showing who have they killed

 

[Sprayarc]

No I mean David Duke.

And I mean the racists caught on the news today shoving and yelling slurs at a black girl who was by herself at a Trump rally.

Do you even pay attention to what's going on?

There's extremists on both sides. Who cares. The media certainly doesn't report black on white hate crimes. In fact blacks who commit hate crimes don't even get charged. There is an opposite but equal argument to the one you're using and if you're not willing to acknowledge black on white hate crimes and desire a solution what you say about this matter is worthless.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

• Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.

• A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.

• Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.

I don't want to get into a nitpicking fight over details. Many politicians have promised reforms that have never materialized (for the reasons I pointed out above). Congressional budgets are notoriously easy to fudge in any direction one wants. But a few basic points:

The percent of taxes collected by the government, REGARDLESS of tax rates, is about the same around 18% of GDP.

Taxing the rich doesn't provide nearly enough income, as most of the taxes comes from the middle class. Cutting the taxes of the middle class will necessarily decrease government revenues. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for ENDING all taxes, just that with so many people DEPENDENT on goverment spending, there's no way you can significantly cut the government budget without a civil war happening as a result. FAR TOO MANY people are getting a free ride (corporations as well as people on food stamps).

And government spending needs to INCREASE if the economy is not going to implode, (debt needs to continue to increase, as we've basically been a credit based economy since the seventies, and ANY TIME there is NOT an increase in credit by more than two percent per year, the economy TANKS).

My point is cuts here and there and changes to the tax code don't address the issue that in order for the economy to NOT IMPLODE, we need to have INCREASING DEBT. And right now, the ONLY PLACE where that is possible is from the government, since everybody else is maxed out.

This economy is at mathematical limits of debt expansion. Increasing debt will kills us. DECREASING debt will kill us.

And, per the Wall Street Journal:

Donald Trump’s tax plan would cut federal revenue by $9.5 trillion over a decade and boost the after-tax incomes of the wealthiest households by an average of more than $1.3 million a year, according to an analysis released Tuesday.

The Republican presidential candidate’s proposal would lower income tax rates and exempt millions of low-income households, requiring significant new borrowing or unprecedented spending cuts beyond anything Mr. Trump has detailed in his campaign.

Mr. Trump’s plan, first released in September, would eliminate 22% of federal revenue over 10 years, radically shrinking the government, according to the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute.

The billionaire real-estate developer is proposing the largest, most aggressive tax overhaul of all GOP contenders. The center this month estimated former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush’s plan would cut federal revenue by $6.8 trillion over a decade.

Mr. Trump’s website says his plan would be revenue-neutral. According to the center, the limits on tax breaks proposed by his campaign are nowhere near enough to overcome the tax-rate cuts.