mall game is dead

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imo it's been awful lately, and for day-game I am straight up looking for different situations. could be given all the recent news about constant looting everywhere, but malls have REALLY upped their security lately and no longer can you just be chilling for a few hours their (and not buying anything) without feeling scrutinized or paranoid. just my experience lately and I've definitely noticed a shift in last 1-2 months or so.

I guess other options are just finding events/large group clubs (not nightclubs lol) to go to, since I am getting super frustrated by the lack of opportunities lately and such.
 

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Of course security is going to wonder about someone hanging around the mall for hours not buying anything.
 

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imo it's been awful lately, and for day-game I am straight up looking for different situations. could be given all the recent news about constant looting everywhere, but malls have REALLY upped their security lately and no longer can you just be chilling for a few hours their (and not buying anything) without feeling scrutinized or paranoid. just my experience lately and I've definitely noticed a shift in last 1-2 months or so.

I guess other options are just finding events/large group clubs (not nightclubs lol) to go to, since I am getting super frustrated by the lack of opportunities lately and such.
You don't go to the mall to pick up girls, you go to the mall because you want to buy something. If you see a girl you like then go for the approach, otherwise buy what you need and leave.
 

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You don't go to the mall to pick up girls, you go to the mall because you want to buy something. If you see a girl you like then go for the approach, otherwise buy what you need and leave.
That's not realistic. Most mall approachers need to linger around for a time to find approach targets. It's ideal to find women who can be approached while you're buying something, but it doesn't always work out that way.

When I've done mall approach sessions, I've lingered in certain stores and lingered in corridors looking for approach targets.

A good mall approach session usually takes at least 1 hour, and is more like 2-3 hours. That's the time commitment it takes to the right quantity of approaches and arrange at least one date.

Mall approaching is not very efficient in general.

imo it's been awful lately, and for day-game I am straight up looking for different situations. could be given all the recent news about constant looting everywhere, but malls have REALLY upped their security lately and no longer can you just be chilling for a few hours their (and not buying anything) without feeling scrutinized or paranoid. just my experience lately and I've definitely noticed a shift in last 1-2 months or so.

I guess other options are just finding events/large group clubs (not nightclubs lol) to go to, since I am getting super frustrated by the lack of opportunities lately and such.
so where do you day-game then? malls have generally in past been pretty good
It takes a very different breed of man to do mall approaching. Even in the early 2010s when I first got into daygame, mall approaching was a niche activity. In 2023, even fewer men want to do mall approaching.

You say you feel scrutinized or paranoid in malls. That's you. Never once have I felt scrutinized by security in malls. I've done 1-2 hour game sessions in malls and never once thought about security. Security has bigger problems to deal with than me doing approaches. If a man does socially uncalibrated approaching in malls, he might attract the attention of security. I have good enough social skills to blend in when doing mall approaching.

I don't enjoy mall approaching that much. Even when it is effective, it is highly inefficient, as are all forms of daygame.

The majority of mall conversations will fizzle out in 30-60 seconds, as most of the approach targets will already be in relationships. They won't be out with their boyfriends. Most of the time, they aren't interested because of the boyfriends, but in 30-60 seconds, they typically won't mention the boyfriend. The socially calibrated daygaming approacher typically doesn't know why his approaches are failing because of this. He doesn't know if his conversations aren't progressing due to boyfriends. The probability is highest that women he approaches have boyfriends as most women are in some sort of relationship at any given time. Some of these soft rejections are from unattached women.

I would recommend taking a quick glance at women's hands before making the effort to approach. This is a good tactic in malls as malls draw from all walks of life. In grocery stores, this is also a good practice but less necessary for approachers who tend to go to grocery stores in areas with mainly unmarried people. I have saved myself many approaches over time by checking for rings prior to making approaches.

In daygame, your other options are the gym, fitness classes, and outdoor approaching. On the general gym floor and outdoors, you'll be fighting a battle with earbuds/headphones, which you don't have to fight in the malls. At fitness classes, you'll get some of the best ratios you can possibly get. The ratios are often meaningless as a lot of women aren't very sociable at the end of fitness classes. Despite the great ratios, arranging dates at fitness classes is a challenge.
 

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That's not realistic. Most mall approachers need to linger around for a time to find approach targets. It's ideal to find women who can be approached while you're buying something, but it doesn't always work out that way.

When I've done mall approach sessions, I've lingered in certain stores and lingered in corridors looking for approach targets.

A good mall approach session usually takes at least 1 hour, and is more like 2-3 hours. That's the time commitment it takes to the right quantity of approaches and arrange at least one date.

Mall approaching is not very efficient in general.





It takes a very different breed of man to do mall approaching. Even in the early 2010s when I first got into daygame, mall approaching was a niche activity. In 2023, even fewer men want to do mall approaching.

You say you feel scrutinized or paranoid in malls. That's you. Never once have I felt scrutinized by security in malls. I've done 1-2 hour game sessions in malls and never once thought about security. Security has bigger problems to deal with than me doing approaches. If a man does socially uncalibrated approaching in malls, he might attract the attention of security. I have good enough social skills to blend in when doing mall approaching.

I don't enjoy mall approaching that much. Even when it is effective, it is highly inefficient, as are all forms of daygame.

The majority of mall conversations will fizzle out in 30-60 seconds, as most of the approach targets will already be in relationships. They won't be out with their boyfriends. Most of the time, they aren't interested because of the boyfriends, but in 30-60 seconds, they typically won't mention the boyfriend. The socially calibrated daygaming approacher typically doesn't know why his approaches are failing because of this. He doesn't know if his conversations aren't progressing due to boyfriends. The probability is highest that women he approaches have boyfriends as most women are in some sort of relationship at any given time. Some of these soft rejections are from unattached women.

I would recommend taking a quick glance at women's hands before making the effort to approach. This is a good tactic in malls as malls draw from all walks of life. In grocery stores, this is also a good practice but less necessary for approachers who tend to go to grocery stores in areas with mainly unmarried people. I have saved myself many approaches over time by checking for rings prior to making approaches.

In daygame, your other options are the gym, fitness classes, and outdoor approaching. On the general gym floor and outdoors, you'll be fighting a battle with earbuds/headphones, which you don't have to fight in the malls. At fitness classes, you'll get some of the best ratios you can possibly get. The ratios are often meaningless as a lot of women aren't very sociable at the end of fitness classes. Despite the great ratios, arranging dates at fitness classes is a challenge.
Mall approachers??
 

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In daygame, your other options are the gym, fitness classes, and outdoor approaching.
They don't have daytime coffee houses / cafes where you are?
 

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They don't have daytime coffee houses / cafes where you are?
There are coffee shops. There are many Starbucks locations and some independent coffee houses.

I don't go to coffee shops/coffee houses/cafes much.

There are men who will do approaches there. In the 2011 book "Day Bang", approaching in coffee shops was covered.

Mall approachers??
Men who approach women in malls for romantic purposes. It's a declining segment of the male population.
 

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Men who approach women in malls for romantic purposes. It's a declining segment of the male population.
What game is it when you just have conversations with attractive women everywhere who end up in your lair? :cool:
 

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What game is it when you just have conversations with attractive women everywhere who end up in your lair? :cool:
I would call that just game and someone with a really good day-to-day routine. Most unattached men don't have a day-to-day routine that puts them in contact with enough viable options.
 

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You can get women at malls, but I would say in the past I have actually had more success gaming a store clerk than I have a random woman in the mall. Typically, younger women will be at the mall with a boyfriend/husband. Older women will many times be shopping alone and can be approached if that's your target range.

That said, if you are hanging around the mall for hours just trying to get numbers you probably need to get a real hobby. That reeks of desperation not to mention a complete waste of time.
 

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I would call that just game and someone with a really good day-to-day routine. Most unattached men don't have a day-to-day routine that puts them in contact with enough viable options.
I just lure them with my wing cat. And hook them with the promise of mischief.
 

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You don't go to the mall to pick up girls, you go to the mall because you want to buy something. If you see a girl you like then go for the approach, otherwise buy what you need and leave.
This should apply to every activity a man does. Lingering and loitering while waiting for women to approach isn't just weird, it will put you in the wrong mindset.
 

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This should apply to every activity a man does. Lingering and loitering while waiting for women to approach isn't just weird, it will put you in the wrong mindset.
It always reminded me of young delinquents hanging around street corners looking for trouble.

Unless you're an introverted homebody, you will meet women in the course of your daily life, all you need is the mindset to be open to talking with the attractive ones. A good meeting can become a date, and so on. If your shallow thoughts only go as far as using her as a semen depository, I advise you to hire a professional.
 

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Lingering and loitering while waiting for women to approach isn't just weird, it will put you in the wrong mindset.
Lingering and loitering is done to wait for approach targets to come into orbit, not waiting for women to approach you. Men who do dedicated approach sessions often have to linger to wait to find an approach target. At that point, they will spring into action and make the approach.

You can get women at malls, but I would say in the past I have actually had more success gaming a store clerk than I have a random woman in the mall.
For most men, I think the better play would be approaching random female shoppers at the mall.

Approaching retail workers is more difficult. It's more of a challenge to determine if a woman is engaging in conversation out of actual interest or she's being paid to be personable. It is possible to flirt with a retail store worker in a mall at slower periods of the day. The best times to do that would be on weekdays prior to 4-5 PM. Most white collar and blue collar men are not available to go flirt with retail store workers on Wednesday at 1 PM, even with increased work at home within white collar work.


Typically, younger women will be at the mall with a boyfriend/husband. Older women will many times be shopping alone and can be approached if that's your target range.
When you refer to older women, how old are you thinking?

if you are hanging around the mall for hours just trying to get numbers you probably need to get a real hobby. That reeks of desperation not to mention a complete waste of time.
The goal should be to arrange dates, not collect phone numbers. I don't collect a phone number without an agreed upon specific date.

You're correct that it is likely to be a waste of time. In a 1-3 hour mall approach session, a good session would typically involve arranging 1-2 dates. It's possible to do a 1-3 hour mall approach session and end up with 0 arranged dates and barely any approaches completed.

Mall approaching is inefficient.
 

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Malls are becoming empty...we have a few here that literally have stores missing or have law offices in them now...

Like who the hell puts a law office in a mall unless the rent is crazy cheap?
 

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Malls are becoming empty...we have a few here that literally have stores missing or have law offices in them now...

Like who the hell puts a law office in a mall unless the rent is crazy cheap?
"Better Call Saul!"
 

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Lingering and loitering is done to wait for approach targets to come into orbit, not waiting for women to approach you. Men who do dedicated approach sessions often have to linger to wait to find an approach target. At that point, they will spring into action and make the approach.



For most men, I think the better play would be approaching random female shoppers at the mall.

Approaching retail workers is more difficult. It's more of a challenge to determine if a woman is engaging in conversation out of actual interest or she's being paid to be personable. It is possible to flirt with a retail store worker in a mall at slower periods of the day. The best times to do that would be on weekdays prior to 4-5 PM. Most white collar and blue collar men are not available to go flirt with retail store workers on Wednesday at 1 PM, even with increased work at home within white collar work.




When you refer to older women, how old are you thinking?



The goal should be to arrange dates, not collect phone numbers. I don't collect a phone number without an agreed upon specific date.

You're correct that it is likely to be a waste of time. In a 1-3 hour mall approach session, a good session would typically involve arranging 1-2 dates. It's possible to do a 1-3 hour mall approach session and end up with 0 arranged dates and barely any approaches completed.

Mall approaching is inefficient.
When I say "older" I am saying 35+. Not super old but not "young and fertile" like most of the posters at SS are gunning for.

And honestly, approaching workers isn't difficult. They are generally very friendly and I have had success with it in the past. Many times you will get the "I have a boyfriend/husband" line from them but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

I don't think approaching women in general is difficult - so I am not saying approaching random women in the mall is hard. Was merely stating I have had more success with store clerks (i.e. I have made more women who are store clerks into longer term plates than random mall shoppers). But admittedly, I have never gone to a mall just to approach women. I always go to do some shopping and if I see a woman I like I approach.
 
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