"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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So I've been told by several girls that I should model, and I didn't take it seriously until I stumbled onto a workout video on youtube by a Ford model and thought to myself, "hey this could be kinda cool." I'm not being conceited in any way, but this does seem like an easy way to make some money, get free clothes, and meet hot girls.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4176/dsc000251kf7.jpg

I don't think I fit the typical model category, but do any of you know how one would get into the whole modeling scene? How would you even start besides getting a portofolio?

I'm a bit buzzed right now so forgive me if I'm not making any sense.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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HandyAndy said:
i think you can pull it off
Well I'd like to try and see, but my question is actually how do you get into male modeling. I don't have the greatest body in the world like most of the print models, but I'll work on that at the gym... I hope that my face would be interesting enough to have someone want me to model for them though. I'm kind of wondering how would you get started in the whole deal. There isn't much stuff on this on google that I can find.
 

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Yeah you have the looks to do- primarily for print

If you want work in any such industry, you have to be resourceful.

First thing is you need a portfolio. Go hire a photographer or go to some glamour photo studio and get some snaps done. Mind you, that will be expensive. We are talking 3 to 4 digit $$ cost here.

Then it comes down to simple issue of finding an agent. There are lots of modelling agencies around- some are specific, some take anyone. Make sure you know what kind of modelling you want to get into too- catwalk, still photography, etc. Do some research on the matter, and shop around. Dont take the first thing you get offered unless it happens to be really good- those agents can get awfully anal about contract details and stuff so watch what you sign. Get to meet some people in the industry already, specificially other models- male of female- and ask around waht the best/most reputable agencies are for the type you are looking for.
I'm an actor so i deal with bloody agents quite a bit- but im assuming modelling agencies are hardly different.
First rule of thumb is to get a agent interested in representing you. You pay them to get you work so you bloody well want them to do it. Most acting ones charge between 5 and 10% comission on your work, so im assuming modelling is too.
Some agencies represent a lot of different things- models, actors, singers, extras, yadda yadda. You'll get work with them, but you'll never get anything big. Usually extras work in the local soap. Try go for an agency that only does models.
Some will also ask you for an up front 'joining fee'. Dont be duped- if an agency really wants you, they'll sign you up for free because they know you'll make them money.

Then once you'r booked in, just make it a habit of calling every so often to pester them about any work thats come in. This gives you a name around the office, and makes them want to forward work over to you first to shut you up.

Oh- and male models (at least here in Oz) have to be between 5'8 and 6'3- otherwise they wont take you: period. I got rejected because i was 6'4. Tough world, but if you're actually serious about it- give it a go.
Oh and be prepared to be stereotyped as a pretty boy airhead. Good luck man.
 

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Sanity_Cleaver said:
Yeah you have the looks to do- primarily for print

If you want work in any such industry, you have to be resourceful.

First thing is you need a portfolio. Go hire a photographer or go to some glamour photo studio and get some snaps done. Mind you, that will be expensive. We are talking 3 to 4 digit $$ cost here.

Then it comes down to simple issue of finding an agent. There are lots of modelling agencies around- some are specific, some take anyone. Make sure you know what kind of modelling you want to get into too- catwalk, still photography, etc. Do some research on the matter, and shop around. Dont take the first thing you get offered unless it happens to be really good- those agents can get awfully anal about contract details and stuff so watch what you sign. Get to meet some people in the industry already, specificially other models- male of female- and ask around waht the best/most reputable agencies are for the type you are looking for.
I'm an actor so i deal with bloody agents quite a bit- but im assuming modelling agencies are hardly different.
First rule of thumb is to get a agent interested in representing you. You pay them to get you work so you bloody well want them to do it. Most acting ones charge between 5 and 10% comission on your work, so im assuming modelling is too.
Some agencies represent a lot of different things- models, actors, singers, extras, yadda yadda. You'll get work with them, but you'll never get anything big. Usually extras work in the local soap. Try go for an agency that only does models.
Some will also ask you for an up front 'joining fee'. Dont be duped- if an agency really wants you, they'll sign you up for free because they know you'll make them money.

Then once you'r booked in, just make it a habit of calling every so often to pester them about any work thats come in. This gives you a name around the office, and makes them want to forward work over to you first to shut you up.

Oh- and male models (at least here in Oz) have to be between 5'8 and 6'3- otherwise they wont take you: period. I got rejected because i was 6'4. Tough world, but if you're actually serious about it- give it a go.
Oh and be prepared to be stereotyped as a pretty boy airhead. Good luck man.
I'm 6' 1" without shoes, so I hope that's gonna be alright.

You gave a ton of great advice man! I'll start by googling info on making a good modeling portfolio and then find agents in Seattle which I can show my portfolio to.

I'm already stereotyped as a pretty boy airhead, so it's not like it'll be any different than it is now. Once people get to know me though, they realize that I'm actually a nice person who sticks to his word... lol

I've seen those modeling agencies on the Internet that ask you to pay an upfront fee, but from what you've said and from my gut instinct, it does seem like they're out to scam you out of your money.

Thanks for the time you put into writing your post man. I'll definitely find out how much starting up a portfolio will really cost, and I'll try and think this over, because I'll be pretty disappointed if I spend that kinda money and no agencies want to sign me...
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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(1) What kind of modeling? There are a zillion different kinds. Anyone can be a working model. The 14 year old girl you see in Italian Vogue is a model. The 30 year stripper in a men's magazine is a model. The fat man sitting on a couch in a local electronic store advert. is a model. There are even animal models. Hand models. Children models. Alternative models. All sizes can model. You can be short, tall, fat, young, old, pretty, ugly, deformed, crippled, athletic, etc. Clients are all looking for something different.

Tell me: What on earth do these two have in common?
http://www.modelscouts.com/images/mature_models.jpg
A mature model. Most are older American women.

http://models.com/model_culture/model_of_week/paulina/1.html
A High-Fashion model. Found between the ages of 13 - 17. Males can be much older than that. Usually discovered by swarthy men in Eastern European malls on the weekend while they are looking to buy a small cup of ice cream from McDonalds (the girls not the men).

(2) Male modeling is dominated by homosexuals.

(3) You don't need to spend money on a portfolio right now. Anybody who tells you that has no clue what he is saying. An actor and a model are miles apart. Find a decent local agency (mother agent) and they should put you on the right track. Never give anyone money unless you know why. Your "book" will be done with the guidance of your model management firm. You don't know what clients want.

(4) Don't listen to some stupid girl who tells you that you should.

Whatever you do, don't go into it thinking that you will make much money. You won't.
 

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try to get into female modeling, you look like a chick.
 

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LOL!!! i know who you are!!!

all the signs... you're an OLD member of this site. you're the one who used to post your picture ALL the time trying to get people to say you're good looking... and you were the one who posted your picture on free modeling ads trying to get agents! LMAO! you used to get flamed like CRAZY!!! HAHAAHHAAH!!!
 

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Michele said:
LOL!!! i know who you are!!!

all the signs... you're an OLD member of this site. you're the one who used to post your picture ALL the time trying to get people to say you're good looking... and you were the one who posted your picture on free modeling ads trying to get agents! LMAO! you used to get flamed like CRAZY!!! HAHAAHHAAH!!!
Haha, it's no secret I used to try modeling without much success on those free online agencies. And I am an old member of this site. I had a girlfriend for about a year and disappeared from this site until recently. I'm single again and I'm trying to step my game up since being in a relationship made me stop working on my game almost entirely.

I used to be very insecure about my appearance, and now I'm much more confident in myself. Though I seriously would like to break it into the entertainment/advertising world.

I'm not fishing for compliments, but I do take pride in the way I take care of my appearance. I try and lend advice to members who have questions pertaining to fashion or personal care. While I'm no expert, I offer whatever I can.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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ChapStick said:
Haha, it's no secret I used to try modeling without much success on those free online agencies. And I am an old member of this site. I had a girlfriend for about a year and disappeared from this site until recently. I'm single again and I'm trying to step my game up since being in a relationship made me stop working on my game almost entirely.

I used to be very insecure about my appearance, and now I'm much more confident in myself. Though I seriously would like to break it into the entertainment/advertising world.

I'm not fishing for compliments, but I do take pride in the way I take care of my appearance. I try and lend advice to members who have questions pertaining to fashion or personal care. While I'm no expert, I offer whatever I can.
you should post your picture on hotornot.com if you didnt already do that...

my opinion?...youre a good looking dude, though young....but pack on 40 -45 lbs of muscle....in 10 years when your face gets more distinguished you'd look like a typical abercrombie model.

i hav a really handsome face too but i dont think i can model being that im only 5'5.
 

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Ken785 said:
you should post your picture on hotornot.com if you didnt already do that...

my opinion?...youre a good looking dude, though young....but pack on 40 -45 lbs of muscle....in 10 years when your face gets more distinguished you'd look like a typical abercrombie model.

i hav a really handsome face too but i dont think i can model being that im only 5'5.
Yeah, I've already posted my pic on hotornot just for kicks lol I've got 59 votes so far. As the number of votes goes up though, I'm sure my rating will go down. I don't think hotornot is accurate though, since most dudes who are ugly that just post a shirtless picture will usually get a 9 rating lol and any girl that shows cleavage will get a 9 rating regardless of how ugly her face is.

Eh who care that you're 5' 5"... I've seen quite a few shorter guys with their arm around taller hotties who don't seem to care at all. So even if you can't model, you damn sure are still able to get girls!

I remember when I was 13 I wanted to be shorter cuz everything would look so stupid on me being taller. My shoes would be too big and I was embarassed, and my jeans would look ridiculous and I didn't fit into my clothes that well. I was pretty damn ugly freshman year! Haha!! On top of that I was an uber nerd!

Those dudes who used to be shorter than me Freshman year are ****ing giants now in college! I remember being a hell of a lot taller than them, it's crazy!
 

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ChapStick said:
Well I'd like to try and see, but my question is actually how do you get into male modeling. I don't have the greatest body in the world like most of the print models, but I'll work on that at the gym... I hope that my face would be interesting enough to have someone want me to model for them though. I'm kind of wondering how would you get started in the whole deal. There isn't much stuff on this on google that I can find.
Click on some links, theres some good stuff here.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...lt&cd=1&q=how+to+get+started+modeling&spell=1
 

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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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HandyAndy said:
chapstick was being nice.

...you're an idiot. anyone can figure out how to google for answers. :rolleyes:

i should just reply to every thread even though i don't know what im talking about by google-ing "how to ####"

"here some stuff i put together myself by google-ing your question for you"

"thanks michele l'arcangelo!"

"no problem, i know what im talking about, its no big deal"
 

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Michele said:
chapstick was being nice.

...you're an idiot. anyone can figure out how to google for answers. :rolleyes:

i should just reply to every thread even though i don't know what im talking about by google-ing "how to ####"

"here some stuff i put together myself by google-ing your question for you"

"thanks michele l'arcangelo!"

"no problem, i know what im talking about, its no big deal"
Uhm, he searched the wrong thing, and i linked him to a better page of usefull links.

"THanks! I was googling **** like "how to male model" etc.. And I was coming up with online agencies and **** for girls, but not really stuff for males.."

I dont see how im an idiot....and neither is chapstick, he just worded his search differently.
 
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