“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Male indifference creates female desire ?

jophil28

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Most of us have had the experience -
You act nonchalantly towards the woman in your life and she starts chasing you down, acting seductively or flat out molests you.

Question ?
Is her behavior triggered by increased sexaul desire ? Is she turned on by your 'coolness' ?
OR is she in a state on heightened anxiety because she feels that you are distant and aloof and so she resorts to the age old female tactic to seducing you to bring you closer and back under HER spell by using their favorite game- SEX !

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She may chase you if she is ATTRACTED to YOU.
She will want YOUR "attention" if and when she feels you are a worthy, HV man, and she is indeed attracted.
Otherwise, a chick who doesn't give two sh*ts about you will not even notice you not paying attention to her.

Basically, become the best you can be. Improve, improve, improve. Until you have reached such a High Value, that women will come and seek out YOU attention and affection.

IMO the "indifference" thing hasn't been represented well enough to the community, so there's a misconception that we shoudl ignore women we desire.
Which is wrong. Because if they don;t know about you, and don't care...you lose.
Being indifferent works up to a point.
Being indifferent works only on a woman who wants your validation.
 

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Being indifferent works up to a point.
That bears repeating.

Indifference to the outcome is more important. If it doesn't work out, dust yourself off without missing a beat, and move along to the next adventure.
 

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A lot of you younger guys are fortunate to have access to the wisdom on the forum. I went through my 20's and thirties buying them dinners and being a 'gentlemen' . Sure I got laid and had a nice time BUT i attracted mostly goldiggers and women who wanted to be 'provided' for' .. My 'upbringing' was centered around being polite and helpful to women because is was assumed that they needed men to take care of them and pay their way.
That was way back then -

NOW- new rules, my man !
I'm having a fine time now with C&F and saving myself mega $ in the process.
Still getting lots of A$$.
Hey girls-lock up your MOTHERS !
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

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Likely both, but more so the latter.

I don't care who you are, if you have any kind of emotional investment in another person, and that person begins to distance themselves from you, it is a natural emotional reaction to begin to chase the thing that is pushing you away.

The trick is to be able to recognize that emotional response so you can control it. And we all know how much control women have over their emotions.
 

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jophil28 said:
A lot of you younger guys are fortunate to have access to the wisdom on the forum. I went through my 20's and thirties buying them dinners and being a 'gentlemen' . Sure I got laid and had a nice time BUT i attracted mostly goldiggers and women who wanted to be 'provided' for' .. My 'upbringing' was centered around being polite and helpful to women because is was assumed that they needed men to take care of them and pay their way.
That was way back then -

NOW- new rules, my man !
I'm having a fine time now with C&F and saving myself mega $ in the process.
Still getting lots of A$$.
Hey girls-lock up your MOTHERS !
I like this post! Too often we complain that there is a lack of low quality women out there, however if you really think about it, we are the ones that benefit from the lack of low quality women.

It's great being a guy this day and age..

The societal pressure to marry is wisping away with the modern feminist attitude. You see, with the attitude today, that no matter what we do as men, we are wrong. Therefore, we can do whatever the fvck we want and have no pressure. We are not 'selfish' for not marrying these days...we're 'selfish' by default now, so who gives a sh!t.

We have the ultimate freedom, women can take care of themselves. We can just use date for fun now! H3ll, that's what they want anyway, might as well enjoy it!
 

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Interceptor said:
She may chase you if she is ATTRACTED to YOU.
She will want YOUR "attention" if and when she feels you are a worthy, HV man, and she is indeed attracted.
Otherwise, a chick who doesn't give two sh*ts about you will not even notice you not paying attention to her.

Basically, become the best you can be. Improve, improve, improve. Until you have reached such a High Value, that women will come and seek out YOU attention and affection.

IMO the "indifference" thing hasn't been represented well enough to the community, so there's a misconception that we shoudl ignore women we desire.
Which is wrong. Because if they don;t know about you, and don't care...you lose.
Being indifferent works up to a point.
Being indifferent works only on a woman who wants your validation.
Good post, Interceptor.

But it's also tricky too. Some chicks won't give 2 sh*ts about you, and the moment you play the indifference card, they get attracted. Then there are some who don't give 2 sh*ts about you, and the moment you start playing the indifference card, they STILL don't get attracted. So, it's one of those things where it'll work on some women and some it won't. And might I add, the ones who don't give 2 sh*ts about you in which "indifference" DOES happen to work on, many times it's not because they're "attracted" to you, it's because they want validation that they're desirable, and the moment they get that validation, they stop pursuing you. The world of women.
 

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Back on topic...indifference.

Indifference has to be genuine, and that comes with experience. The more women you date, the more you realize that women come and go through you're life. The emotional attachment becomes less, and thus you put up with less sh!t tests.

If you can truely not care whether you lose her..she leaves, you leave, whatever, that's when you have genuine indifference. And that's how you achieve freedom.

It's the freedom that we have as men, that women, as nature created them, want to take away. That's why indiffence raises attraction with woman, granted they have interest in you to begin with. It reminds them, that we don't need them...and women love to FEEL needed.
 

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to understand the effect what you have to understand is how WOMEN behave.

women don't look at a man's behavior and go 'ahhh, when a man does x it means that he's thinking y'

instead they think 'Joe is doing x. when I do x it means im thinking y. so Joe is probably thinking y.'

and what is often going on with a woman when she begins to withdraw attention from her man? that's right, she's out looking for a new vine to jump to.

when you withdraw your attention she sees this as the beginning of you non verbally opening up your options. of mentally beginning the shift of being open to jumping to another vine.

the other effect it has, is that it establishes you as the prize. it makes you the dominant person in the relationship. this is a turn on to women.

yes, women are always trying to sh*t test men and bust their balls and control them ultimately - but all of that is primarily to take you off the market and keep you all to themselves. it doesn't mean that they truly want to dominate you beyond that aspect. this is what creates a lot of turmoil with women becuase on the one hand they want to dominate you in certain aspects of the relationship, and then in other aspects they want you to be dominant. most guys can't figure out what the f*ck they want and go crazy trying to figure it out.

anyway though, removing attention shows that you DO NOT need her. and any time you DO NOT need something you immediately gain a certain amount of control over that thing.

but it shoudl be noted, withdrawing attention only works if she is genuinely attracted to you. if you were just her 'boyfriend of the moment' (remember, lots of women have bfs they dont really care for, but hate being single) then it often wont have any affect other than make her jump to a new vine quicker.

and it should also be noted that withdrawing attention has different effects on different women. very stubborn women will sometimes see this as a challenge for dominance (power struggle) and will actually ignore you in return.

but provided you've rocked her world a few times and that she sees you as the prize, removing attention from her will usually cause her to seek to regain that attention.
 

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We only chase what runs away from us. If a woman values your attention and you withold or limit it from her (especially when she perceives other women are willing to compete for it) it's value as a commodity increases.
 

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And might I add, the ones who don't give 2 sh*ts about you in which "indifference" DOES happen to work on, many times it's not because they're "attracted" to you, it's because they want validation that they're desirable, and the moment they get that validation, they stop pursuing you. The world of women.
Very, very true, Edger.
Spot on.

Stay away from that type of woman.

Why waste time on AWs???!!!


Say NO to the HO!!!!!!!
The HOR MATRIX HAS GOT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fleee!!! RUNAWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!





:crackup: LOL! Couldn't resist.
 

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NOT sure exactly what you are asking ?
 

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I do not agree that she "covertly rejected" you at all. Women are not in the habit of overtly doing much at all. Their passive "do nothing " mentality is hard to read and therefor NOT much value. If you trigger a chase by her after you pull away THEN is is LIKELY that she wants to have some kind of relationship with you and her "chase" is her way of closing the gap that you are creating.
However,exactly WHAT she wants is unclear .That is your DJ job to reveal.
 

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Three different invitations ? Go out with her, my man. Maybe she will buy you a lobster dinner and pay for the cab. Don'y turn down a date or a dance with a woman is my philosophy.. Yiu may have a fine time....
 

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Danger said:
My dilemna is this....I think Rollo is exactly on with his statement about raising one's value as a commodity, my question is whether this works with someone who has covertly rejected you but still seeks your attention.....
Rejection is the same whether it's direct or indirect, the art in it is being able to read a covert rejection. When a woman says, "get away from me you creep", that's a woman who is resorting to an overt message. Women only use direct communication when the necessity for it leaves them no choice. This is usually when they want there to be no mistake in what they're saying so they resort to direct overt communication - the language of men - usually as an emotional response (exasperation) or because they want the message to be so final that there can't be any room for misunderstanding.

As I said, direct, overt communication is men's default language. We say what we mean and we mean what we say; it's physical, it's informational. Women's default is indirect, covert communication. Theirs is a psychological language full of subcommunications, inuendo, emotion, posturing; it's about conveying feelings more than information. The difficulty that men have is in understanding the language, because we think women ought to be logical and direct like ourselves. So we call them fickle, random or make them unknowable because we get fed up with trying to figure out why their words don't match their behaviors. And of course this only increases their power - "give it up silly boy, you'll never figure us out so stop trying."

All women are attention seeking. Attention is the currency women use to affirm their own self-worth and the social pecking order amongst their peer groups. We like to toss around the term 'Attention Hoare' a lot on this forum, but men rarely understand the importance and power women place on their ability to generate attention. From the time they are small girls to when they are elderly ladies, generating attention permeates their lives daily. Now mix this attention valuation with women's natural, covert language preference. Attention is her Achilles heel, but in her default, covert communication she can easily distract and deflect men from realizing it - and all the better when men simply give up and resign themselves to never understanding women. In fact it's the women who do not, who are overt in their necessity for attention, that both men and women call Attention Hoares. AWs aren't any more or less needy of attention than a Plain Jane wallflower, she's just overt about it so she draws resentment and ire from other women carefully hiding the need.

The end result of this is that through a process of social evolution women have developed psycho-social conventions that simultaneously reject a man's advances (assuming they're unwelcome) yet still maintains his attention. This exactly how the LJBF rejection and variations of it have come to be so widely used. Another is the Boyfriend Disclaimer rejection where a woman slips the information of her being unavailabe (due to the BF) into casual conversation. I've covered this countless times with frustrated guys asking me why a woman would tell him she had a boyfriend in the middle of a sarge. It simply a communication device with the latent purpose of proactively rejecting him (whereas a LJBF is a reactive rejection). Men have a tendency to think women are abstract and scattered when in fact they are very calculating, it's just that their communication is second nature for them.

So all in all it benefits a Man to learn to read a woman's communication carefully and to understand the value attention has for them. When a Man covertly communicates that he knows his attention is valuable and he strategically denies her this, she tips her hand to him. Either she is drawn to him and pursues or she isn't attracted and he's on to a better prospect. Think of attention as currency, too much circulation makes the price go down. This is an essential element to creating desire and the first lesson that Nice Guy AFCs need to learn. Increase value through scarcity. That's not to say don't give her attention at all, but rather adopt an attitude that she needs to earn it and reward her accordingly. This is where the behavioral pyschology comes in - reinforce desired behavior with your attention and deny her attention when she performs undesired behavior. This is simple, classic conditioning.
 

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great post rollo. agree with everything - really liked the insight as to why women will reject you yet still seek to retain your attention.

perhaps attention for women is like collecting baseball cards for boys. they just like to be 'relevant' to as many peoples lives as possible. just because you don't like one of the baseball cards doesn't mean you need to toss it away, just toss it in the back of your collection and forget about it.
 

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Good points, attention is to women what sex is too men. They need attention like we need sex.
 

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Also if you show indifference. She may chase until you've shown that you like her and then she'll back off - either because she's now going to play hard to get or simply just because she's proven a point to herself.

Generally I think these tactics are a waste of time, you want not to seem desparate but fake indifference will just make things difficult in the long run.
 

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joekerr31 said:
great post rollo. agree with everything - really liked the insight as to why women will reject you yet still seek to retain your attention.

perhaps attention for women is like collecting baseball cards for boys. they just like to be 'relevant' to as many peoples lives as possible. just because you don't like one of the baseball cards doesn't mean you need to toss it away, just toss it in the back of your collection and forget about it.
Good analogy.

Although I don't really have the same kind of problem some guys do with the whole Myspace thing, I do realize that it does benefit women more than men.

I check out the pages of some of the women I know and it's almost comical the way they solicit attention.

One of the 21 yr olds I know sends out a bulletin every time she updates her pictures to try to get people to leave picture comments. She even practically begged me one time to leave some picture comments. What is the purpose behind that, other than to show how popular she is?
 
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