"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Ok, so I have been talking to this chic for about 3 weeks now and I must say things are progressing greatly. So far we have been to the gym together a few times, gone out clubbing, and have talked quite a bit. However, from what I got on the first date and now she seems to be a "conservative" girl. Meaning she probably won't allow sex that quickly. She is also very secure (i mean she is a Hb 9) and sure of what she wants. Now, since we have only known each other for just about a few weeks, when would you guys recommend going for at least a hook up attempt? Is there a time with women like this, or should I just go for it the next chance I get? I just don't want to blow it, and make her assume that's all I want.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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think with your head, not your d!ck, this is why most men fail.
what until she brings it up and makes a move, females know when there ready.
 
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Sounds like you're well on your way to the dreaded friend zone.

Have you done anything to establish yourself as more than a friend? That should be done early on.

what until she brings it up and makes a move, females know when there ready.
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Men make the first move. It gives us control. Women expect us to make the first move. Sitting around waiting for her to make the first move is the surest way to being LJBF'd that I know of.
 
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have you kissed her yet? Is it clear to her that you guys have been going on dates and not just hanging out?
 
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Actually, we have kissed execpt it has only been after we have been drinking. Then again we don't see much of each other throughout the week because we are both busy. But she is coming over tonight to watch a movie at my place so I am going go ahead and at least kiss her sober for once. That's why I was asking if I should try to take it all or just kiss for now until more intense kino. What you think?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Originally posted by GirlCrazy

Men make the first move. It gives us control. Women expect us to make the first move. Sitting around waiting for her to make the first move is the surest way to being LJBF'd that I know of.
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Of course you make the first move (kissing, rubbing, etc.), but am not going to make any more initiative to do so if she's not into it, thats what am saying. If she's ok with what your doing, keep doing so.
 
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Kiss her while sober, after you next go out with her. If she's still comfortable and is into it, then go for the makeout session at your place or hers. After that, while you're in bed, attempt to f-close, if she's not comfortable w/that then don't push it. Try again next time until she totally is down for that. Feel free to talk about it verbally with her, if you are comfortable enough to be kissing each other sober (and she's a 'good' girl), then she likes you.
 
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