"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Making moves on a girl that is in a committed relationship?

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Im in an interesting situation, and I'd like some opinions

There is a girl I know, who I am attracted to. But she has been with this other dude for several years. She LIVES with her boyfriend.

When I first met her over the summer I took the standard preliminary steps (getting her number, etc) - until I found out this fact. At this point I backed off a bit, but stayed friends with her for the hell of it, and we hung out fairly often over the summer - I definitely showed her many good times. Undoubtedly, there was always some attraction.

So, I hang out with her last week, we get sh!t-faced drunk at her place --- and we end up making out a little bit before the bf gets home. I think nothing of it at the time (I was drunk!), but the next morning I start to think about the implications of this.

We didn't even acknowledge what happened all that much, besides talking about how ridiculously drunk we were. Now she is sending me text messages every few days, today she was complaining about how bored she is at her apartment.

I don't really like her boyfriend. I think he is sortoff a tool. Ordinarily I wouldn't even think about doing something like this, but I don't have any respect for the guy...I do not consider him to be a fun or engaging person at all.

But there is a still an ethical/moral question here.

So, opinions? What would you all do? Go or no go?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I'd say back off, don't sh!t on another guy's territory. If she would cheat on him what's to say she wouldn't cheat on you? I'm also a big believer of karma and what goes around comes around, best to build up that good karma. There are so many other girls out there, game the ones that are single, you'll feel a lot better about yourself and save yourself a lot of unnecessary drama. Cheers to a new year! :rockon:
 
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Bottom line is she obvioulsy wants you. I was in a similar situation only the girl wasn't living with her boyfriend. I pretty much let her make the decision about the whole boyfriend thing, thats not your problem, it's theres. After I did that she ended up breaking up with her boyfriend and we had a good time together. I suggest going for it if you like her. Worst case scenario you will just end up hooking up with for a while. But dooo not be the "guy on the side" that she thinks she can control.
 
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You already made a move on her. Ethical/moral question for who??? If you are ok with it, then go for it.

The real question for you is, what type of relationship/arrangement do you want with this one?

Are you expecting her to leave her boyfriend? If you are, don't. Why would she mess up her living arrangement.

Unless you are ok with being the "side man" who she can spend time when she's available, and you have no problem with that, I wouldn't even bother. If you are ok with being somebody she messes around with, then go for it.
 
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Back off would you like someone to do the same thing to your girl? Well, if she wants you that bad she should leave her BF. We talk about women being sluts etc yet here's an example of how guys help to create the problem.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Serg897 said:
I don't really like her boyfriend. I think he is sortoff a tool. Ordinarily I wouldn't even think about doing something like this, but I don't have any respect for the guy...I do not consider him to be a fun or engaging person at all.
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As if that had anything to do with you kissing the girl. So, you think a guy has to prove himself to you, that he deserves to keep his girl? May I ask who the hell you are?

Do as you please, just don't come up with stupid crap like this.
 
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Do everything you can to get in her pants.

Just keep in mind a woman that will cheat with you will most likely cheat on you eventually.

And even if you were a morality crew member here this doesn't break the bros before hoes rule because this guy is most certainly no friend of yours by what you have said. :up:
 
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I knew I would get a mixed reaction to this. hah.

some comments:

I know full well that I cannot expect any sort of relationship from this girl. At least, not anytime soon. I don't think I would mind getting in her plans just for the sake of it - which is why I posted.

My perspective has always been that if I see a girl with a boyfriend is blatantly showing her interest, if I don't like/know the guy then I consider it.

Still, it might not be worth the trouble.
 
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