"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Making a move on a friend

Eklipse

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Basically I'm really good friends with this girl and lately we have been pretty close and I think shes starting to like me. She never really put me into a friendzone she was a friends ex, so we never were really thinking about fooling around with eachother but now things have changed. How would I go about making the first move?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Eklipse said:
Basically I'm really good friends with this girl and lately we have been pretty close and I think shes starting to like me. She never really put me into a friendzone she was a friends ex, so we never were really thinking about fooling around with eachother but now things have changed. How would I go about making the first move?
Whoa dude. You're considering banging (having relations with) your friend's ex-girlfriend? How close are you to your friend?
 

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You've already establsihed that she's not a "friend", so just use the same ideas found on every thread on this board. since you already know her, most of the work is done for you. Just let it be known that you would like things to escalate, like inviting her out to lunch, unless you do so already. If not, that's a start, if so, then try and invite her over, to "watch a movie". If she likes you as you think she does, it'll be simple.
 

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Your_Royal_Flyness said:
Whoa dude. You're considering banging (having relations with) your friend's ex-girlfriend? How close are you to your friend?
I'm 99% sure he won't care. He cheated on her all the time then he broke up with her, haha honestly the guy can't stay with just one woman.
 

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For starters, please don't ask this chick out to lunch. You've already established that you're acquaintances, so you don't need to talk about anything over lunch. Neither do you need to pay for some chick who you haven't even become intimate with yet. What you need to start doing is vibing sexually with this chick. If that means talking to her a little dirtier than usual, then so be it. If it means getting her over to your place alone, do it.

The whole thing about this being your friend's ex may or may not be a big deal. I've banged my friend's ex's and my friends have banged one of mine. As long as you don't deny what you're doing, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Honestly I don't see the problem with messing around with this chick. If you were asking if dating this chick would be weird, then the answer is obviously yes. That'd take a little more thought.

For now, just make the move. You've already said she's shown interest. Show her you can reciprocate when she least expects it.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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