"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Makes Mistakes!

Kailex

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That's right, you read the thread title 100% correct.
I've read the Don Juan Discussion forum for months and after seeing a few solid, golden threads from some of the senior members, it's finally dawned on me what the #1 mistake a lot of guys in here make:

- They don't want to make mistakes, in fact, they will go out of their way to avoid making mistakes.

Why?

It seems no one really wants to take the time anymore to actually experience life and what it has to offer. There used to be a time when trial-and-error meant something, but in this day and age of technological excellence, it seems that everyone wants that magic pill of the dating world. They want the answers now. I've seen a few of you post up a thread asking things like, "How do I respond to this text? When should I call? What should I do next?"... and if 15 minutes go by and no one responds to your posts, you immediately become enraged that no one would dare take the time to respond.

This is what we've come down to. We want the answers NOW, without realizing that in the past, it took EXPERIENCE, TIME... and yes, MISTAKES to learn from this dating game and become progressively better.

I know that sometimes a lot of us seem to come across as simple characters... caricatures of our real selves, but even most of the forum users from the Mature Men section can agree... we evolved through our mistakes.

I will admit that there were many times I committed a huge number of mistakes, but I've learned from them. I know that there are simple rules that are stated in the DJ Bible that are guidelines for some of us to follow, but sometimes, the best guideline is your own experience. Yes, there's a "two strike rule", but sometimes you have to strike out three times just to realize why there even is a two strike rule. And once you strike out twice, maybe you get so good at striking them out, that you'll develop your own "one strike rule".

But you can't do it without experience.
You can't do it without spending time in the field.
And you definitely can't do without making mistakes.

Stripped from the very core of game, status, and looks... we are all human beings and as someone once said: To err is human.

We WILL mistakes and anyone who says that they have never made a mistake with women... SOMEHOW... is lying. I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is. We're not perfect, we WILL make mistakes, but the key is not to be afraid of making mistakes, but to embrace the idea.

I'll never know when the perfect time to call a woman back is, but I know when the perfect time is for ME. I'll never know what every woman likes in a man, but I have an idea. I'll never know whether a woman likes the same sports I like, but with time, I'll eventually find out.

And if I sit here and try to psycho-analyze every way to NOT fail, then I'll never move forward and never learn.

It HAS to happen. At some point we WILL make mistakes, and that's the beauty of it all... we get second, third, fourth chances... maybe not with the same woman, but we get a chance to learn and re-learn, evaluate and re-evaluate. So many times we get caught up on the search for the "ONE" before realizing that there is no such thing. For every woman you see that is beautiful, there is more than likely another one that is even better looking. For every woman that you think is perfect, there is probably another one out there that is even "more perfect".

I think it's time for a lot of us to stop kidding ourselves. You can't learn from a forum, 100%, and then be ready to game it up on women. It can't happen that way. Yes, you can learn C&F, but as my colleague Atom Smasher stated recently, it can be overdone. But how are you going to learn WHEN is too much unless you make the mistakes? How are you going to learn how to talk to women if you sit at a forum and try to learn from us? I think it's grand that this forum is designed to help us avoid a lot of bad decisions, but sometimes, those decisions needs to be made in order to progress.

Don't get me wrong, there are certain situations that you must certainly avoid, but to use a metaphor:

You could read up on camping, you could buy all of the camping equipment, you could look up forums to read up on tips to camp, but trust me, nothing will prepare you more for becoming a camping expert than actually putting those skills to the test. I've gone camping and the first time I went, I was clueless as to what I was doing. Now, I'm a pro, but it's because I took the time to get the experience and I made mistakes along the way.

Just like dating.

And as a disclaimer to this message, there is definitely one mistake I hope no one ever makes:

- Getting her (whoever she is) pregnant.

That's a mistake you DON'T want to make. But other than that, anything within the logical realm is fair game. Go ahead, go out there and get rejected a few times. Call a woman at an inappropriate time. Use too much C&F. Make a few mistakes, learn a little, IMPROVE. Any mistake you make is an opportunity to learn, to adapt, to evolve... so why not make a few mistakes instead of trying to learn the magic way into a woman's pants?

Why not? We get thousands of chances to literally make mistakes and learn, but more importantly to improve and become better at this. Do remember to keep a positive mindset, remember to keep it fun and remember, no mistake you can make on a simple level is a mistake that can keep you grounded as long as you don't allow it to.


Game on fellas.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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It's been a long time since I've seen a such a good and strong post here!


The thing is that people get infatuated easily without the experience (experience is everything in life, which is what kailex is trying to say here) it takes to understand when it's just enthousiasm knocking your door, that's why they want to go out there "mistakeless"!

You guys should think that the opportunities you'll have, with women, as you grow up will be hundreds, even thousands for some! There is no point in trying to do everything right! I've cried for a woman in front of her when I was younger, if I had been in this forum, read everything here, I wouldn't dare giving her the pleasure of seeing me cry, BUT now when I think of it, I think of it as a sweet mistake which I can't afford to do again...


If you want to be successful faster, you must double your rate of failure...
 

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You remind me Pook... Not in the way you write, but in your message

To anyone who reads this and is sceptical... this advice is golden! Hell it`s probably one of the best you can get here.

Go out in the field, live and learn.
 

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Beautiful. I needed that.

This should be stickied at the top of the Discussion Forum, as, hell, we all need constant, if not daily, reminders of this.

Mistakes.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Bookmarked.

I've often did reading instead of going out to make me feel better somehow by telling myself I was simply "learning the tricks", but no progress is no progress. This thread helps alot, thanks!
 

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To fight my own impatience, I try to remember the story of Thomas Edison. We know him for inventing the lightbulb and a slew of other useful inventions, but we don't hear about his greatest asset: his own persistence. Edison literally failed 10,000 times at creating a lightbulb filament that worked, before he got it right.

Once, in an interview, he was asked, "How did you keep going? How do you fail at something 10,000 times and keep trying?"

Edison said, "I didn't fail 10,000 times; I discovered 10,000 ways not to make it work. But I only needed to find the right way once."

What a profound lesson may be found for us all in the story of Thomas Edison!
 

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Excellent, Kailex. Quality material through and through.

I have nothing to add except to say that when I am standing on the summit of the mountain of success I have built, that mountain will be made up almost completely of failures and less-than-perfect attempts in life. I will fail, calibrate, and use that failure as a foothold to climb up on top of that failure and continue to grow and rise higher as the mountain of experience grows higher. I will be standing on the summit, breathing in the rarified, fresh clean air, and looking down upon a mountain of rubble that is a record of my work in becoming the man I want to be.

Every one of those "failures" will be more valuable than gold, as they are the very essence of the incredibly difficult climb we all face in order to scratch and claw our way out of what we were yesterday. This, I think, is the noblest calling there is for a man.

+1.
 

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Excellent thread, but if we're considering stickying it or something then maybe the thread title should be changed to "Make Mistakes" to be more grammatically correct.
 

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Nah, I think the title should be left as is, grammatical mistakes and all. Hell, for all we know Kailex did that on purpose.

Regardless, quality thread Kailex!
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Kailex

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I actually screwed up the thread title and the OCD-lite within me is killing me to keep reading "Makes Mistakes". It was a (wait for it) mistake.

Julius, I'd never heard that story about Thomas Edison, very good read, and I learned something new.


Atom, you make very good points. Our path in life is definitely built with failures and successes, and even though we might have many successes, there are also many failures that might have lead to those.

Thanks for the comments guys.
 

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An alchemical methaphor is that we climb the ladder in life with our failures and shadows from the past, we use them actively to achieve higher levels. The failures are represented as the steps of the ladder.
 

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Yeah, I just recently learned the three strike rule. I don't even feel like bringing it to 3 strikes anymore.
 
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