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Lover/Provider Dichotomy is Over: Three Tier System Now

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The last several times I've been out, I'm seeing something interesting.

There are quite a few bro's I've met who've got their act together: good job, good health, standard or even well above average good looking guys. In theory, these guys should fit easily into the "lover" or "alpha" category.

What's odd is that they're getting a lukewarm reception from the ladies. They're certainly not getting rejected outright or treated like pariahs, but the women are showing at best moderate interest and it's clear that many of these guys are getting friendzoned.

Obviously, guys who are not fit and not good looking are still getting the cold shoulder, and the 'reception' borders on overt hostility.

Meanwhile, there are guys who are monopolizing all of the attention of the women and when these guys show up, the guys just a step below are being completely abandoned.

This signals to me that there is a 3 tier system now:

1. top dogs with monopoly access

2. run of the mill good looking guys good looking women will settle for, but not be thrilled to be with. In the past, women might be very happy to be with guys in this tier, but no longer.

3. guys who struggle because of their looks and have to spend significantly more time to find a girlfriend or settle for average/below average looking girls.

I won't say this is alarming but some predicted that after a year to year and a half of limited socializing and dating options, women in theory should be LESS selective and more eager to date in general, but I'm seeing women become even MORE selective.

I wrote about reverse hypergamy as well, and I think this happens when 'top dogs' aren't available in the local area so women are forced into relationships with providers.
Tbh It has always been this way. It's just overt and there's more data.

Again, enjoy the decline. Pillage WHAT YOU CAN! Go for the W. Sniper approach. Pull but be indifferent. It's not your problem.

The crash is coming. It's similar with money printing. There is going to come payment time. I'm not going to be there to bail out the village skank.

Play whatever hand you are dealt and to the best of your ability. Then watch the world burn.
 

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Have you ever associated with guys who were considered very good looking? I understand we all have our own experiences, but what you say does not match the reality I've personally experienced or witnessed from other successful men. Women always chose the best looking guys, and they are very visual.

Likewise for other good looking guys. All they had to do was leave the house and women would stare and howl. They'd smile and cheer up just by being around them. It is no different from what men do to women, contrary to what you've stated. Literally all women talk about and obsess over is hot guys. If you are attractive women will look at you a lot. And they check you out just like men do to women. This is without knowing them.

Women get crushes and they lust after attractive men. How in the world are you going to say that they aren't visual?

**None of this is to brag. These are personal experiences which contradict what you say, to make a point, is all.

I should also point out that all these guys were relatively short (under 6 feet, some down to 5'7-5'8) and not rich. A couple of them could barely hold down a job, sold and smoked weed for a living, and bummed at whoever's place they could find. And a couple more fumbled like crazy when it came to communication and were pretty much douchebags. Some were for the most part loners and didn't get involved in social crowds. None of it mattered because they were "hot".
No offense to Pan but he clearly doesn't get out much. He keeps copy pasting the same RSD and DailyStormer memes over and over again: "just approach bro" or "white women are my jam" over and over again. Oddly enough it's the white supremacists who are the most likely to reject white women because of the very problems discussed on this forum over and over again.

White supremacists are deeply fascinated with anime and east asian cultures in general because in many if not most respects they embody all of the traits that western cultures formerly had: cleanliness, safety, intelligence, traditional women, homogeneity, closed borders, etc.

To a large extent white supremacists are just larping and underneath the posturing are actually east asian supremacists in beliefs and practices.

Notice how he never has any real world personal interactions or problems to ever discuss, it's all just game theory and pseudo white supremacist posts.
 

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And there's a 4th Tier - guys with Game who realise that women don't care about looks nearly as much as men do. This tier of men bangs the most.

Women care about "feelz" and your ability to manipulate their emotions. Simple as.

All these bros are getting treated as disposable (good looking, good job etc) because they ARE disposable. Women don't really care about good looking/good job - that's boring bluepill stuff. Women care about how you make her feel.
sorry man , but it is bullsh1t what you are saying . No offense

game as I have field tested over and over , the success rate is mainly about 2 things ( looks and location )

yes , women do care about looks . Mainly they care about the face shape , good hygiene and how you dress . And ofc not being too short , too fat or too skinny

the people who actually have tangible results , and not just getting lucky let”s say are those stated above

this is what good looking guys say in order to feel important . “ bro , I have game, thst is why I get laid “ and then he will see that whatever works for him will not work for someone less gifted
 

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sorry man , but it is bullsh1t what you are saying . No offense

game as I have field tested over and over , the success rate is mainly about 2 things ( looks and location )

yes , women do care about looks . Mainly they care about the face shape , good hygiene and how you dress . And ofc not being too short , too fat or too skinny

the people who actually have tangible results , and not just getting lucky let”s say are those stated above

this is what good looking guys say in order to feel important . “ bro , I have game, thst is why I get laid “ and then he will see that whatever works for him will not work for someone less gifted
I'm not saying looks aren't important. They are.

However, Game is the most important thing from my experience in life. I've seen it over and over again - ugly guys with game beating good looking guys without game. It's taught me that how you communicate with women, and how you make them feel, is the crucial element to getting laid.

I never bullsh1t. You know that.
 

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I'm not saying looks aren't important. They are.

However, Game is the most important thing from my experience in life. I've seen it over and over again - ugly guys with game beating good looking guys without game. It's taught me that how you communicate with women, and how you make them feel, is the crucial element to getting laid.

I never bullsh1t. You know that.
SS has become a nesting ground for guys to just come and complain about not having looks, money, etc. It’s a coping mechanism for not getting pvssy. Takes all of the responsibility off of them. Inevitably, someone will respond to me by requesting my height, race, etc. and say my opinion is wrong. It’s like clockwork anymore.
 

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To clarify: I was very passive, insecure, naive, and so on while at my peak and missed a lot of opportunities. But the signs and offers were clear. But other guys I knew very well had a lot of casual sex with many women. And these girls were obsessed with these guys because they were hot, sexy, and/or gorgeous. That's it. They'd hook up with them incredibly fast.

I should also point out that all these guys were relatively short (under 6 feet, some down to 5'7-5'8) and not rich. A couple of them could barely hold down a job, sold and smoked weed for a living, and bummed at whoever's place they could find. And a couple more fumbled like crazy when it came to communication and were pretty much douchebags. Some were for the most part loners and didn't get involved in social crowds. None of it mattered because they were "hot".
Here you talk about the difference without knowing it.


these hot guys got laid like crazy while you did not because they were bad boys while you were not. Why you are on a game forum while they are not.

Back in high school I did get looks. But I was also insecure, and missed LOTS of opportunities. I was satisfied with girls looking at me a certain way. Calling me "sexy", "papi chulo", "handsome" And the validation that X girl liked me FIRST. And knowing they liked me over someone who was proactively trying to get at them but were less good looking/short but outgoing and social. Didn't matter because I wasn't fvcking any of these girls anyway. After they realized I was actually an unsocial sperg, they lost interest. It's why I know pan puts a huge emphasize (while acknowledging that looks matter) on game (playing the game and trying to make things happen so that you win at this game. Before pua, I did not know how to play the game or even trying to win the game (I was playing some retarded version of it where the prize was validation instead of sex). Because that is what he lacked during his youth.
 

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I'm not saying looks aren't important. They are.

However, Game is the most important thing from my experience in life. I've seen it over and over again - ugly guys with game beating good looking guys without game. It's taught me that how you communicate with women, and how you make them feel, is the crucial element to getting laid.

I never bullsh1t. You know that.
yeah , it is important , but the prerequisites have to be in place in order to get the pull , which basically means having strong fundamentals ( naturally or by improving what you can improve )

this is something that the game preachers always omit

again , if having game means to be socially suave and smart , then yeah . Someone who is an idiot socially will loose most of the times to someone that it is socially intelligent ,

but again , having someone who is stupid socially and someone who is ultra smart , are Very low densed . Most of the people are somewhere around the middle spectrum of social smartness
 

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SS has become a nesting ground for guys to just come and complain about not having looks, money, etc. It’s a coping mechanism for not getting pvssy. Takes all of the responsibility off of them. Inevitably, someone will respond to me by requesting my height, race, etc. and say my opinion is wrong. It’s like clockwork anymore.
I am a good looking dude . I started reading this game and pua vomit mainly to improve the quality ,thinking thst this guys know something that I do not

basic framework to get laid

she is attracted ( somewhere from low mild interest to very high ) -> you met her at a good time - > you start making things happen ( this is what people refer as game) -> magic happens

also food for your brain , it is way easier to sleep with a girl that is in an ltr or early post brakeup , than it is to sleep with a girl that is single for a while ( assuming she is not a hoe )

why do you think it is the case ?
 

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Here you talk about the difference without knowing it.


these hot guys got laid like crazy while you did not because they were bad boys while you were not. Why you are on a game forum while they are not.

Back in high school I did get looks. But I was also insecure, and missed LOTS of opportunities. I was satisfied with girls looking at me a certain way. Calling me "sexy", "papi chulo", "handsome" And the validation that X girl liked me FIRST. And knowing they liked me over someone who was proactively trying to get at them but were less good looking/short but outgoing and social. Didn't matter because I wasn't fvcking any of these girls anyway. After they realized I was actually an unsocial sperg, they lost interest. It's why I know pan puts a huge emphasize (while acknowledging that looks matter) on game (playing the game and trying to make things happen so that you win at this game. Before pua, I did not know how to play the game or even trying to win the game (I was playing some retarded version of it where the prize was validation instead of sex). Because that is what he lacked during his youth.
Lmao, I was the same way. Really didn't know what was going in the world and was just attention whoring for the most part. Sex was definitely viewed as some holy grail, when it really wasn't a big deal to anyone but myself at the time. The girls didn't care as long as they weren't viewed as sluts and could throw the blame on the guy.

But I disagree on the first part to a degree. I had the look of a bad boy / player and attracted a lot of women (largely based on what I seen those guys look like in the past), but didn't know what to do from there. Even as they were making most of the moves, I was like a deer in headlights. Very inexperienced and uncertain. A lot of it was self-sabotage based on fear & insecurity.

And I'm only here to share stories and experiences, maybe help people not make the same mistakes... I'm not here seeking advice.
 
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SS has become a nesting ground for guys to just come and complain about not having looks, money, etc. It’s a coping mechanism for not getting pvssy. Takes all of the responsibility off of them. Inevitably, someone will respond to me by requesting my height, race, etc. and say my opinion is wrong. It’s like clockwork anymore.
This, or they just talk about theory, and not about anything that actually happened to them with a girl.

It's Fruity Pebbles and video games for most of the 'guys' here.
 

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This, or they just talk about theory, and not about anything that actually happened to them with a girl.

It's Fruity Pebbles and video games for most of the 'guys' here.
i would not go to such an extreme .

It is more what guys do in order to give credit more to them ( game is considered a skill , and till an extent it really is ) , rather than to give credit to things that that someone was born with or had an advantage .

same thing with money , most of guys who are reach , had a better start in life than those who are not rich or had someone to guide them . Ofcoursr They will always say that it is because they are smart or whatever the reason on why they are rich , but in reality they just had from the get go a better start .

As a simple example , getting aN university degree from a top institution in most cases will mean that you will have at least a good career .The problem is that to get there you either have to be ultra smart and commited to get there( very rarely the case ) , to have money to go there( universities are very expensive , even when excluding tuitions ) , and also to have really good references ( this mainly due to having well connected parents )
 

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i would not go to such an extreme .

It is more what guys do in order to give credit more to them ( game is considered a skill , and till an extent it really is ) , rather than to give credit to things that that someone was born with or had an advantage .

same thing with money , most of guys who are reach , had a better start in life than those who are not rich or had someone to guide them . Ofcoursr They will always say that it is because they are smart or whatever the reason on why they are rich , but in reality they just had from the get go a better start .

As a simple example , getting aN university degree from a top institution in most cases will mean that you will have at least a good career .The problem is that to get there you either have to be ultra smart and commited to get there( very rarely the case ) , to have money to go there( universities are very expensive , even when excluding tuitions ) , and also to have really good references ( this mainly due to having well connected parents )
This. Right here.

Pseudo-intellectual pontificating about things.

Blah blah blah
 

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I am a good looking dude . I started reading this game and pua vomit mainly to improve the quality ,thinking thst this guys know something that I do not

basic framework to get laid

she is attracted ( somewhere from low mild interest to very high ) -> you met her at a good time - > you start making things happen ( this is what people refer as game) -> magic happens

also food for your brain , it is way easier to sleep with a girl that is in an ltr or early post brakeup , than it is to sleep with a girl that is single for a while ( assuming she is not a hoe )

why do you think it is the case ?
I am also a good looking guy who got good looking women in my late teens/early 20s mostly because I was good looking and dressed well. I can say I had close to zero game until the latter part of college. Once I did I got way more women. I am now more socially adept in my 30s than I ever was in my 20s. I also attract women way easier than I ever did before. I’ve also learned a lot here at SS thanks to some of the old guns here.

To the original point - no one is saying looks don’t matter. They do. But this fatalistic attitude that some guys have on this forum because of their looks or race is pathetic (and I am not talking about you).
 

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yeah , it is important , but the prerequisites have to be in place in order to get the pull , which basically means having strong fundamentals ( naturally or by improving what you can improve )

this is something that the game preachers always omit

again , if having game means to be socially suave and smart , then yeah . Someone who is an idiot socially will loose most of the times to someone that it is socially intelligent ,

but again , having someone who is stupid socially and someone who is ultra smart , are Very low densed . Most of the people are somewhere around the middle spectrum of social smartness
I'll add that a lot of people don't won't to or can't do the deep work required to get better at whatever is holding them back.

I know I'm lacking in certain areas. One of the reasons why I'm here. Learn from others who have made the same mistakes, endured and overcome their struggles, and be successful with women.

Everyday I improve. Some days a lot, other days I have setbacks. But I keep it moving.

This forum has a lot of good content, but sometimes descends into needless bickering and throwing shade when we need to bring each other up.

That's my 2 cents. Take it for what it's worth.
 

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This. Right here.

Pseudo-intellectual pontificating about things.

Blah blah blah
well , art of seducing or art of making money is just art . It is not science :)

every person has to have its own journey , as nothing is 100% applicable . To simply things , what works for me it might not work 100% to you , so you will have to change some things ( smaller or bigger ) in order to make it work also for you .

it is the same thing as going to the tailor with your clothes to make them fit perfectly
 

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This is true in many places in the US. I know because #2 is me. The dichotomy isn't over, it just squeezed out the "catch" from much relevance.
 

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Women are not anywhere near as motivated by casual sex and "sport fvcks" as men are. That should be painfully obvious by now to guys who are dealing with lots of women.
Women have way more casual sex and sport ****s than men
 

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Women have way more casual sex and sport ****s than men
the affinity to casual sex I think thst it is better seen as opportunities vs actually happening

men , usually if they are horny enough , they will drop standards , while women will rarely do this

usually the ons and casual sex are with guys who plate them ( mainly because they are not as cool as the other prospects they have ) . Basically with guys thst have a higher smv than them
 

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the affinity to casual sex I think thst it is better seen as opportunities vs actually happening

men , usually if they are horny enough , they will drop standards , while women will rarely do this

usually the ons and casual sex are with guys who plate them ( mainly because they are not as cool as the other prospects they have ) . Basically with guys thst have a higher smv than them
Guys she can effortlessly match with and have on rotation, and does act on. Most of my female friends broke quarantine after a month, they are not used to dry spells of virtually any length unless deeply traumatized from a prior relationship.
 

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I am a good looking dude . I started reading this game and pua vomit mainly to improve the quality ,thinking thst this guys know something that I do not

basic framework to get laid

she is attracted ( somewhere from low mild interest to very high ) -> you met her at a good time - > you start making things happen ( this is what people refer as game) -> magic happens

also food for your brain , it is way easier to sleep with a girl that is in an ltr or early post brakeup , than it is to sleep with a girl that is single for a while ( assuming she is not a hoe )

why do you think it is the case ?
The main issue with PUA is this idea of "magic". There is no magic. You can't magically make a woman interested in you, when she is not.

PUA just takes a woman who is already "available", and puts you in the best possible position to bang her. Most guys talk themselves out of sex.

Never forget this man. Getting laid isn't easy. You reach a point, with Game, where getting laid becomes easier because you become more efficient. But then it plateaus. Banging beautiful women is never Easy. There is no magical skeleton key to gain you access into all vaginas.
 
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