"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Lost it, getting it back, slowly

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Hi all.

So, when I was a teenager all my mates were getting laid but I was always getting friendzoned. There was no pickup back then, no game, no Internet -- but somehow I managed to work out what was going on and transformed myself into a bit of a challenge. I realised that I had to become distant, and so applied the good old "fake it to make it" approach and it worked.

That was in the late 1980s -- I started getting girlfriends and lays, gained confidence and then after a few years, the Internet came along and I became a master of Internet hookups -- lots of them -- I got lazy with my game as hooking up on line back then was so niche it was hardly a challenge.

A couple of long term relationships ruined my confidence, and there I was in my late forties, wondering what the **** happened - and now I'm 50!

So here I am, trying to get back in the game.

Thing is, I've noticed myself getting friendzoned again -- it's like I've reverted back to that teenager with none of the confidence I had before. I realised this needed to change recently when I made a pass at a younger girl, told her I was getting feelings, only to be hit with the "I'm really not in that place" response. I didn't think I sounded that needy, but I clearly made myself too available.

However, she's part of my general friend circle, so I can't just avoid her -- the question is, how do I behave with this minor "oneitis" now the "cat is out of the bag"?

When I say minor I'm not devastated in the same way I would be as a teenager, but it has hit me more than I'd like and I'd still like to turn the tables.

As much as I want to, I don't think vanishing is going to help matters -- but how to remain aloof and distant without being obvious?

Anyway, that's why I'm here.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Thanks for the reply.
Don't tell them how you feel. Cut that out completely for a start.
Well I managed to swerve the temptation to blurt out any pathetic "I'm in love with you" nonsense ... but I did tell her that I was "beginning to have feelings". So not completely pathetic, but still not as skillful as I could.

Took a lot of nerve to say anything though, but her over-familiarity and the way she was starting to use me as her emotional tampon, well I knew it was getting a bit much and had to be addressed. I knew I was being too available - but it became like a drug.

I've known her about a year and a half, but been spending more time over the last three or four months - there is a connection, and we have got close, but not so close that I'm ignoring all her faults -- she has plenty of them too.

News from friends is that she's "really saddened" by the loss of our friendship, whatever value that has I have no idea.

Meanwhile I need to work on my confidence so I don't fall in this trap again.
 

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50 and a frame made of jello? Shame on you.
 

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50 and a frame made of jello? Shame on you.
:D I know right!

I'm here because I've seen the other side and allowed myself to lose it again -- I've had sex with 200+ women and 4 long term relationships where I had all the power, and yet here I am having given it away and needing to learn it all again! :rolleyes:
 

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Most guys settle for the first attractive bird that reciprocates interest.
Guilty as charged -- although there is a recurring theme of never being attracted to women who like me, and vice versa. This needs to change.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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