"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Lost it, getting it back, slowly

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Hi all.

So, when I was a teenager all my mates were getting laid but I was always getting friendzoned. There was no pickup back then, no game, no Internet -- but somehow I managed to work out what was going on and transformed myself into a bit of a challenge. I realised that I had to become distant, and so applied the good old "fake it to make it" approach and it worked.

That was in the late 1980s -- I started getting girlfriends and lays, gained confidence and then after a few years, the Internet came along and I became a master of Internet hookups -- lots of them -- I got lazy with my game as hooking up on line back then was so niche it was hardly a challenge.

A couple of long term relationships ruined my confidence, and there I was in my late forties, wondering what the **** happened - and now I'm 50!

So here I am, trying to get back in the game.

Thing is, I've noticed myself getting friendzoned again -- it's like I've reverted back to that teenager with none of the confidence I had before. I realised this needed to change recently when I made a pass at a younger girl, told her I was getting feelings, only to be hit with the "I'm really not in that place" response. I didn't think I sounded that needy, but I clearly made myself too available.

However, she's part of my general friend circle, so I can't just avoid her -- the question is, how do I behave with this minor "oneitis" now the "cat is out of the bag"?

When I say minor I'm not devastated in the same way I would be as a teenager, but it has hit me more than I'd like and I'd still like to turn the tables.

As much as I want to, I don't think vanishing is going to help matters -- but how to remain aloof and distant without being obvious?

Anyway, that's why I'm here.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Thanks for the reply.
Don't tell them how you feel. Cut that out completely for a start.
Well I managed to swerve the temptation to blurt out any pathetic "I'm in love with you" nonsense ... but I did tell her that I was "beginning to have feelings". So not completely pathetic, but still not as skillful as I could.

Took a lot of nerve to say anything though, but her over-familiarity and the way she was starting to use me as her emotional tampon, well I knew it was getting a bit much and had to be addressed. I knew I was being too available - but it became like a drug.

I've known her about a year and a half, but been spending more time over the last three or four months - there is a connection, and we have got close, but not so close that I'm ignoring all her faults -- she has plenty of them too.

News from friends is that she's "really saddened" by the loss of our friendship, whatever value that has I have no idea.

Meanwhile I need to work on my confidence so I don't fall in this trap again.
 

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50 and a frame made of jello? Shame on you.
 

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50 and a frame made of jello? Shame on you.
:D I know right!

I'm here because I've seen the other side and allowed myself to lose it again -- I've had sex with 200+ women and 4 long term relationships where I had all the power, and yet here I am having given it away and needing to learn it all again! :rolleyes:
 

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Most guys settle for the first attractive bird that reciprocates interest.
Guilty as charged -- although there is a recurring theme of never being attracted to women who like me, and vice versa. This needs to change.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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