Due to the flurry of "Do Looks Matter" posts, I was wondering how you guys honestly rate yourself. I consider myself a 6. Sometimes, I think I am goodlooking and other times, I consider myself average at best. Sometimes, I will get looks from attractive girls, other times I get nothing. Even then I'm not sure if it's all in my head. How do most of you guys rate yourself on a scale from 1-10 and why? Have your ever asked a female's opinion or do you consider this too AFC?
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Looks: How do you know where you stand?
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
ethnomethodologist
Master Don Juan
Mods, please delete this thread
johnmich
Senior Don Juan
its hard to tell. i have attracted a few hotties but because i was afc mega idiot i did not pull em. i dunno what i rate myself but i dont care
Le Parisien
Master Don Juan
Ok, although this is not really a "smart" thread, I will still try to help a little.
- How you perceive yourself is irrelevent
- How your parents perceive you is totally irrelevent, no matter how good looking or ugly you are, they are gonna tell you that "you are cute"
- What your buddies tell you is irrelevent. Just flip the story a little, how many times have you had female friends or acquiantances talking about some girl they know who's really cute, only to have you and most of your male friends finding out that she's just about average at best. The bottom line is: people can't tell the beauty of someone who's of the same gender
- What one specific girl thinks is irrelevent: different girls like different things. You maybe be "hot" for one specific hot girl, but down right ugly for another HB.
So what's the answer?
This is my personal little theory:
1) First find out which girls you are interested in. This might be a girl you know, or a girl you meet at a bar or a club, a girl you see on the street, a girl you meet when taking the public transport etc...
2) Now observe if the girl is open to you. Does she notice you? Does she smile at you? Does she check you out? Or is she trying to "randomly" move closer to you? When you try to initiate a conversation with her, is she responsive? Is she so happy to be talking to you?
3) Finally, the percentage of girls who respond positively is also your rating. 100% means you are a 10, 0% means you are a 0. I do agree that some curving is necessary for some intermediate values, but basically you get the idea on this method...
I insist here, only calculate the percentage on girls you are interested in Sure if you take a lot of random warpigs into the equation, everybody would be at least above 3. And my method doesn't work for people who have "ridiculously unrealistic high standards" and those who have low self esteem issues.
One last point: the ratings are not necessarily comparable. One 8 is NOT necessarily equivalent to another 8. For example, I'm more into HBs who have a youthful look with "innocent" angelic faces. I've noticed (I can be wrong though) that this kind of hot girls also tend to prefer the pretty boy type of guys. Personally, I have a very young boyish face. So let's say if I'm a 6 based on these young looking girls, I may be a lousy 2 with the type of hot girls who look older than their age (like they look 23 when being actually 18), and who in my humble opinion prefer guys who look rather big and "rough", who look also older than their actual age.
But anyway, all you should care is your rating based on girls that you are interested in. Because, well, these are the girl that you want to go for right?
Hope this helps.
- How you perceive yourself is irrelevent
- How your parents perceive you is totally irrelevent, no matter how good looking or ugly you are, they are gonna tell you that "you are cute"
- What your buddies tell you is irrelevent. Just flip the story a little, how many times have you had female friends or acquiantances talking about some girl they know who's really cute, only to have you and most of your male friends finding out that she's just about average at best. The bottom line is: people can't tell the beauty of someone who's of the same gender
- What one specific girl thinks is irrelevent: different girls like different things. You maybe be "hot" for one specific hot girl, but down right ugly for another HB.
So what's the answer?
This is my personal little theory:
1) First find out which girls you are interested in. This might be a girl you know, or a girl you meet at a bar or a club, a girl you see on the street, a girl you meet when taking the public transport etc...
2) Now observe if the girl is open to you. Does she notice you? Does she smile at you? Does she check you out? Or is she trying to "randomly" move closer to you? When you try to initiate a conversation with her, is she responsive? Is she so happy to be talking to you?
3) Finally, the percentage of girls who respond positively is also your rating. 100% means you are a 10, 0% means you are a 0. I do agree that some curving is necessary for some intermediate values, but basically you get the idea on this method...
I insist here, only calculate the percentage on girls you are interested in Sure if you take a lot of random warpigs into the equation, everybody would be at least above 3. And my method doesn't work for people who have "ridiculously unrealistic high standards" and those who have low self esteem issues.
One last point: the ratings are not necessarily comparable. One 8 is NOT necessarily equivalent to another 8. For example, I'm more into HBs who have a youthful look with "innocent" angelic faces. I've noticed (I can be wrong though) that this kind of hot girls also tend to prefer the pretty boy type of guys. Personally, I have a very young boyish face. So let's say if I'm a 6 based on these young looking girls, I may be a lousy 2 with the type of hot girls who look older than their age (like they look 23 when being actually 18), and who in my humble opinion
prefer guys who look rather big and "rough", who look also older than their actual age.But anyway, all you should care is your rating based on girls that you are interested in. Because, well, these are the girl that you want to go for right?
Hope this helps.
DrBeard
Banned
Look in the mirror dildo!
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Well, you could rely on other people to tell you, but then you fall into the trap of perceiving yourself through the eyes of others and becoming dependent on their compliments and attention. In other words, you become an attention wh0re. You could even become neurotic and narcissistic (trust me, I've been there).
Alternatively you can make the most of whatever you have - work out, wash and groom well, dress fashionably and in a way that flatters you. Above all, accept yourself and don't worry how other people see you.
Alternatively you can make the most of whatever you have - work out, wash and groom well, dress fashionably and in a way that flatters you. Above all, accept yourself and don't worry how other people see you.
Thanks for the replies. I wasn't really asking a question about whether or not you should be confident in yourself. I think we all know the answer to that one. My question was how do you quantify your looks? Do you do so by the amount of numbers/rejections you receive? The way girls look at you? Or the famous celebrity you've been compared to? I think we all have given girls a rating for any particular reasons. How would you use your rating system to rate yourself?
Silverback82
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you judge your looks based on the girls that have shown intentional interest in you because of your looks
do hot girls smile at you or make it completely obvious that they want you to approach them? if yes than you probably are really good looking
do fatties and ugly girls make it completly obvious that they like you or want you to ask them out? if yes than you are most likely average at best
most girls know where they stand a fat chick for the most part will not hit on brad pitt unless she is drunk
do hot girls smile at you or make it completely obvious that they want you to approach them? if yes than you probably are really good looking
do fatties and ugly girls make it completly obvious that they like you or want you to ask them out? if yes than you are most likely average at best
most girls know where they stand a fat chick for the most part will not hit on brad pitt unless she is drunk
beauty is in the eye of the beholder -
in reality a guy could look like a model.
on the street people could have varying opinions, he could be a perfect 10 or an average looking schmuck.
No one can be more certain of you than yourself.
dont let the opinions of others change the perception that you have of yourself....of course if you have an over inflated ego, then you deserve it.
in reality a guy could look like a model.
on the street people could have varying opinions, he could be a perfect 10 or an average looking schmuck.
No one can be more certain of you than yourself.
dont let the opinions of others change the perception that you have of yourself....of course if you have an over inflated ego, then you deserve it.
SynapsyS
Don Juan
Who cares what you look like? As long as you put a little effort into looking presentable, then you don't have a problem. Don't rely on looks.
Syn.
Syn.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
I would watch it differently.
You have gotten a body when you were born.
If you make the best of the looks you have been given you are a 10.
If you don't do anything appereance wise then you are a 1-3.
Anything in between is a 3-10.
I would consider myself a 8-9. Well for me that's pretty similar to my ratings on sites (like hotornot etc.)
Woman don't care that much for looks. Maintenance, dressing style and PERSONALITY are more important.
We sure are more fortunate then woman, they have to go trough plastic surgery if they want to attract us. Cause let's be honest, a ugly woman just gets disqualified immediatly, where a ugly guy does not.
You have gotten a body when you were born.
If you make the best of the looks you have been given you are a 10.
If you don't do anything appereance wise then you are a 1-3.
Anything in between is a 3-10.
I would consider myself a 8-9. Well for me that's pretty similar to my ratings on sites (like hotornot etc.)
Woman don't care that much for looks. Maintenance, dressing style and PERSONALITY are more important.
We sure are more fortunate then woman, they have to go trough plastic surgery if they want to attract us. Cause let's be honest, a ugly woman just gets disqualified immediatly, where a ugly guy does not.
short and easy way to find out where u stand...
How about this...
Go to a club, approach a few women... then by their reaction to you you will be able to have an idea if women find you attractive or not.
And by the way... In general life, you should have noticed by now how attracted women are to you.... I mean... its not like you are one of those people that sit at home and never go out.. right? .. RIGHT?
Laterz...
How about this...
Go to a club, approach a few women... then by their reaction to you you will be able to have an idea if women find you attractive or not.
And by the way... In general life, you should have noticed by now how attracted women are to you.... I mean... its not like you are one of those people that sit at home and never go out.. right? .. RIGHT?
Laterz...
I actually don't think clubs are a good place for a guy to judge his looks. Too many b!tch shields. We all know that a girl who will give you looks outside of the club will also be the same girl who will reject you once inside the club.
Dark Haired Alpha
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I don't think so. An UGLY guy is going to get 'disqualified' too (talking about the majority of women). AVERAGE one probably isn't. And so isn't an average girl, because personality matters to guys, no matter if you admit it or not.Holland said:
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
1100 posts since January ! Dude, lmao, you spend too much time on this forum. And second of all, you don't own the forum, nor are you a mod.ethnomethodologist said:
There's nothing wrong with his question. Whats wrong with being curious about how others view themselves. Lighten up.
S1NN3R
Master Don Juan
Aren't you the least bit concerned with the possible health ramifications of falling off of that ****ing high horse you're always on?ethnomethodologist said:
ethnomethodologist
Master Don Juan
I'm sick of the twenty or so threads that have come up this week about guys crying about their looks...
I remember back when people used to make post named "rate my looks"
It's like flaming homos have taken over the board. They want to see how many guys will rate them "hot or not" Kind of reminescent of how a woman would look at life...
Le parisien might be a DJ based on the length of his response. The fact that he got so indepth means he's not very confident with his looks though...
I remember back when people used to make post named "rate my looks"
It's like flaming homos have taken over the board. They want to see how many guys will rate them "hot or not" Kind of reminescent of how a woman would look at life...
Those are the three guys closest to being DJ's that responded.
Le parisien might be a DJ based on the length of his response. The fact that he got so indepth means he's not very confident with his looks though...
everywomanshero
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This is so simple: it doesn't matter how women rate you. This isn't a useful way of thinking.
What you do need to know is you look in *specific* outfits and with *specific* hats, glasses, etc.
What you do need to know is you look in *specific* outfits and with *specific* hats, glasses, etc.
brucevangeorge
Banned
MARIA
I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty,
I feel pretty and witty and bright!
And I pity
Any girl who isn't me tonight.
I feel charming,
Oh, so charming
It's alarming how charming I feel!
And so pretty
That I hardly can believe I'm real.
See the pretty girl in that mirror there:
Who can that attractive girl be?
Such a pretty face,
Such a pretty dress,
Such a pretty smile,
Such a pretty me!
I feel stunning
And entrancing,
Feel like running and dancing for joy,
For I'm loved
By a pretty wonderful boy!
GIRLS
Have you met my good friend Maria,
The craziest girl on the block?
You'll know her the minute you see her,
She's the one who is in an advanced state of shock.
She thinks she's in love.
She thinks she's in Spain.
She isn't in love,
She's merely insane.
It must be the heat
Or some rare disease,
Or too much to eat
Or maybe it's fleas.
Keep away from her,
Send for Chino!
This is not the
Maria we know!
Modest and pure,
Polite and refined,
Well-bred and mature
And out of her mind!
MARIA
I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty
That the city should give me its key.
A committee
Should be organized to honor me.
GIRLS
La la la la . . .
MARIA
I feel dizzy,
I feel sunny,
I feel fizzy and funny and fine,
And so pretty,
Miss America can just resign!
GIRLS
La la la la . . .
MARIA
See the pretty girl in that mirror there:
GIRLS
What mirror where?
MARIA
Who can that attractive girl be?
GIRLS
Which? What? Where? Whom?
MARIA
Such a pretty face,
Such a pretty dress,
Such a pretty smile,
Such a pretty me!
GIRLS
Such a pretty me!
ALL
I feel stunning
And entrancing,
Feel like running and dancing for joy,
For I'm loved
By a pretty wonderful boy!
I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty,
I feel pretty and witty and bright!
And I pity
Any girl who isn't me tonight.
I feel charming,
Oh, so charming
It's alarming how charming I feel!
And so pretty
That I hardly can believe I'm real.
See the pretty girl in that mirror there:
Who can that attractive girl be?
Such a pretty face,
Such a pretty dress,
Such a pretty smile,
Such a pretty me!
I feel stunning
And entrancing,
Feel like running and dancing for joy,
For I'm loved
By a pretty wonderful boy!
GIRLS
Have you met my good friend Maria,
The craziest girl on the block?
You'll know her the minute you see her,
She's the one who is in an advanced state of shock.
She thinks she's in love.
She thinks she's in Spain.
She isn't in love,
She's merely insane.
It must be the heat
Or some rare disease,
Or too much to eat
Or maybe it's fleas.
Keep away from her,
Send for Chino!
This is not the
Maria we know!
Modest and pure,
Polite and refined,
Well-bred and mature
And out of her mind!
MARIA
I feel pretty,
Oh, so pretty
That the city should give me its key.
A committee
Should be organized to honor me.
GIRLS
La la la la . . .
MARIA
I feel dizzy,
I feel sunny,
I feel fizzy and funny and fine,
And so pretty,
Miss America can just resign!
GIRLS
La la la la . . .
MARIA
See the pretty girl in that mirror there:
GIRLS
What mirror where?
MARIA
Who can that attractive girl be?
GIRLS
Which? What? Where? Whom?
MARIA
Such a pretty face,
Such a pretty dress,
Such a pretty smile,
Such a pretty me!
GIRLS
Such a pretty me!
ALL
I feel stunning
And entrancing,
Feel like running and dancing for joy,
For I'm loved
By a pretty wonderful boy!
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.