Looks don't mean anything?!

[Raven80]

You should check out serge gainsbourg, ugly as sin but he dated some very beautiful women. I realize that he is famous, but so were the women that he dated so it was a level playing field.

 

[trv26]

Looks aren't important........if you have status or money to burn. To the rest of us it matters.

 

[BigWillyStyle]

My god, what a revelation! Looks matter! Holy****, such astounding insight...

Yes, looks do matter. As much as this site and others tell you otherwise, they do matter. And those that say otherwise are either deluded fools or übernaïve optimists, or, most likely, both. (And let's not forget the money-hungry entrepreneur-types that have found a niche in exploiting these optimists.)

However, let us not be dogmatic and say, "Only hot chicks go for equally hot guys." There are always exceptions to this. But these exceptions are rare.

As nature has dictated, people generally fall for people more attractive and of higher status than themselves; a phenomena known as "falling upward". (Which consequently leads to another phenomena known as ""chronic masturbation".)

However, like myself, I think there are many guys on here that are average to above-average looking, but again, like myself, are screwed up in other departments (e.g. awkward personality, crap social skills). And I know for a fact that it is these "other departments" that detract from our looks...

So, scrubbing up in these other departments does help. Just don't become deluded with all these writings saying, "Looks don't matter! You can score überbabes no matter how grotesque you are!" Yeah, right. I mean, sure, we've all seen some überbabes with some rather icky guys... but, as I've said, those are rare exceptions. Those guys' relationships are undermined by their looks, and their relationships are often short lived. The überbabes soon enough find a hot-as-f*ck guy with a sparkling personality to match--that's just the way it is.

Moreover, I think too many guys place too much on physicality. Of course, you have to find a chick physically appealling, you just don't have to aspire to be dating super models. A decent-enough looking chick who is self-confident, assertive and funny, in my eyes, often turns out to be hot as hell.

 

[Captain Harlock]

Most ugly people are ugly because they don't take care of themselves. unless you're deformed or scarred for one reason or another (which is not the case with most ugly people) everyone can look at least average or 'not ugly'.

Diet, excercise, grooming, clothing, posture, etc are the most important factors when it comes to looks and the best thing of all is that you have complete control over them. A nerdy guy like Bill Gates could actually look cool if he'd work out, wear cool clothes, get a cool haircut and inject a couple of grams of testosterone up his ass every day.

 

[zekko]

I agree you don't have to aspire to date exceptionally beautiful women, but boy do you feel good with one on your arm. It's quite the ego boost. But I can't see getting into a long term relationship with a girl that hot, just because I get tired of them being constantly hit on.

 

[Soprano]

you guys sound like a bunch of women sitting around wondering if you are pretty enough.....you could look like brad pitt but you still wouldnt be successful with women because you're a bunch of b!tches....behind the canned lines and kino people will still be able to see the b!tch in you......work on 'inner game' and stop being stupid

 

[comic_relief]

i have below average looks but I am still pulling the girls look great

It's a matter of having the b@lls to go up to a girl that looks good, talking to her, and closing.

- comic_relief

 

[Duffdog]

i have below average looks but I am still pulling the girls look great

It's a matter of having the b@lls to go up to a girl that looks good, talking to her, and closing.

- comic_relief

pics or STFU!

 

[comic_relief]

pics or STFU!

what's your problem?

- comic_relief

 

[DJDanny]

As nature has dictated, people generally fall for people more attractive and of higher status than themselves; a phenomena known as "falling upward". (Which consequently leads to another phenomena known as ""chronic masturbation".)

I'd just like to point out, that for everyone person who "falls upwards", the person on the other side "fell downwards"

 

[BigWillyStyle]

I'd just like to point out, that for everyone person who "falls upwards", the person on the other side "fell downwards"

Yeah, but as I wrote, those cases are RARE.

 

[fertileTurtle]

pics or STFU!

What kind of pics are you looking for?

It's a 2-way street, btw.

 

[nismo-4]

If you lack in looks, you better have some money and status to make up for it. Otherwise your sparkling personality and smooth game is 100 percent useless!

 

[Prodigy746]

If you lack in looks, you better have some money and status to make up for it. Otherwise your sparkling personality and smooth game is 100 percent useless!

you dont know what you are talking about!

Look at mystery...that guy is anything but attractive yet he still pulls models. You cant tell me that you havent seen ugly guys with at least descant looking girls. I have a friend that is pretty ugly IMO but he has a pretty good looking gf that he has been dating since 11th grade in HS and now he is graduating college.

If this guy can pull girls anyone can

http://www.gapnap.com/wp-content/uploads/May 2008/Erik-von-Markovik.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/i/dmk80cr4.jpg/

he is skinny, pale, wears ridiculous clothes but as soon as you hear him talk you understand why. You can see his confidence when he talks and it seems like he always says the right things.

Look at the way he talks ... pure confidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88r28BAT6EA&feature=related

you might be thinking he has status and money now but he never had that before he actually started doing this. As a matter of fact he used to be a dork and had no gf's.

 

[Captain Harlock]

mystery is far from ugly, he's just not good looking.

 

[Duffdog]

What kind of pics are you looking for?

It's a 2-way street, btw.

I want to see a picture of a very ugly guy dating a hot girl. And I want it to be a candid photo and not a staged photo. First of all, I have never seen an ugly dude with a hot chic in real life and second, I have never even seen a picture of it. So, since you feel that you are pulling the "hotties", lets see some of their pics. Most people who say that they are pulling hotties, aren't and the girls aren't hot, but they tell everybody that they are.

And, if you would like pictures of the girls that I get with (with me in the picture), that is no problem as I am a photographer.

 

[The Message Boy]

I haven't really gotten into anybody else's thread but I sorta like this conversation.

Just some questions that I have, but might sort of stir the convo. But:

1.) Doesn't everything matter? I'm saying if you have good looks shouldn't you also seek to have a great personality, good sexual game, good inner game, nice body, nice social circle, money, status, etc? Sometimes it looks like guys pick out one or two things like either looks or inner game, and say if you have one of the two you are fine.

2.) What defines good looks on a guy? Wouldn't that be just working out to get at least to average built and not sloppy looking, doing good grooming, fixing yourself up, getting the zits off your face, etc. I mean, we aren't talking about *good looks* as in if you don't have a boyish face like Brad Pitt you're done are we? To me, isn't good looks on a guy really just great grooming, working out, and having a great clothing style? Or am I missing something.

3.) What defines a hottie? Wouldn't a 8 or 9 to me be different than an 8 or 9 to other guys? So how can we measure a *guys with good looks* only getting a *girls with good looks* because both are in the eyes of the individual beholder? For example, I would say Keri Hilson is a 10, but many guys, assuming they know who she is, might not think so.

 

[zekko]

You bring up a few good points, message boy.

I think most guys are fairly average looking (but I'm not a woman, so who knows?), but the really good looking ones (the kind that most all the girls swoon over) are very rare. Most of the guys fall into a more average looking zone - there are degrees of course, but they can be successful by working on their grooming, style, and game. Women have the beauty in the species, not the men, that's why men are the pursuers. So looks are important, but not as important as a woman's looks. As long as the guy isn't troll like ugly, he should have a shot.

As for beauty being in the eyes of a beholder, you're right, I am very often shocked at some woman some guy thinks is ridiculously hot when she does nothing at all for me. At the same token, I can think some woman is hot and some other guy will think she is a dog. I don't get it. But the very hottest chicks can pretty much always get whoever they want.

 

[DonGorgon]

you dont know what you are talking about!

Look at mystery...that guy is anything but attractive yet he still pulls models. You cant tell me that you havent seen ugly guys with at least descant looking girls. I have a friend that is pretty ugly IMO but he has a pretty good looking gf that he has been dating since 11th grade in HS and now he is graduating college.

If this guy can pull girls anyone can

http://www.gapnap.com/wp-content/uploads/May 2008/Erik-von-Markovik.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/i/dmk80cr4.jpg/

he is skinny, pale, wears ridiculous clothes but as soon as you hear him talk you understand why. You can see his confidence when he talks and it seems like he always says the right things.

Look at the way he talks ... pure confidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88r28BAT6EA&feature=related

you might be thinking he has status and money now but he never had that before he actually started doing this. As a matter of fact he used to be a dork and had no gf's.

He looks gay ..women love men who look gay and or are gay.. and actually they dont rate your looks as harshly when you look gay..

 

[Gangster Of Love]

First off... for all of you ugly folks out there, don't believe the hype.

If you are busted, you won't get hot girls, no matter how "****y and funny" you are.

Now, don't flag me or claim I am a troll, but I am being dead serious.

Where I am from, you can have the tightest game with girls, but if you're

fukkin ugly, they won't give you the time of day. All of these articles that

claim all you need is confidence and a sense of well being are bull

typ****...No, I'm not bitter or hating, but this website seem to preach that

looks don't matter when it comes to hot girls...UMMM yes it ****in does,

Ok, so you're ugly. Get over it.

Anybody can get themselves, through grooming, a make over, working out, getting a tan, a haircut, nice clothes, etc., up to at least average, and slightly above average. Mix that with a great attitude and a rich life, and you'll get more and better quality tail than you are now.