Looks do matter on men

[saturnalia]

I challenge anybody else with his avg looking face to prove me wrong

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg

 

[BeDJ]

absolutely irrefutabile prof that it`s all about the looks when it comes to sex

fake profile of a male model used to ask random young women online directly to get together

click on zoom after it`s loaded

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg

That screen cap was tougher to swallow than the Red Pill. I'm sure there are guys that say not all women are like that.

 

[synergy1]

absolutely irrefutabile prof that it`s all about the looks when it comes to sex

fake profile of a male model used to ask random young women online directly to get together

click on zoom after it`s loaded

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg

This is priceless. Thanks for the share!

I changed my picture and my messages have gone through the roof. Last night, I had no fewer than 6 women wink or message me lats night alone. Am planning on one meet up today, probably another tonight ( maybe yet another if the first doesn't work out). They don't even read my profile as my name is the first sentance, as 99% of them actually ask me for my name.

My motto is this. Look good and feel good. You feel good, you wheel good. Its a feedback mechanism. Some dudes can't really change looks, but if one can work out and change that aspect, its going to help , period.

it`s always the tall, dark, handsome, laid back guy that wins the show

True, but The goal of this webside is to try and help people achieve desirable results. Not everyone is going to look like the dude posted in that fake profile. But overall agree that people who preech game might be a bit disillusioned thinking that its the only thing people need to work on.

 

[saturnalia]

and the looks still keep on mattering in this thread

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg

so which one of you said that he nailed well over 100 women with game?

pics or gtfo!

 

[Atom Smasher]

Cute is one thing, hot is another.

I remember a time when this thread would have been deleted. That was back in the day when more people bought into the pickup guru myth that looks don't matter. People seem to have a more realistic view on the topic now, although maybe the pendulumn has swung back a bit too far. Looks will never be as important on men as on women, because men have so many more ways to attain high value.

Zekko's spot-on.

 

[floydb25]

Sat: That was some funny ****. "Should I just kill myself then?"

But its true (looks matter)... Never refuted that. My main thing is, looks don't guarantee success. Notice that he wasn't shy, afraid, insecure, wishy washy, etc. He can get laid easily, yes. Never disputed that, either.

There's also different ways of handling things. What works for a model isn't going to work for everybody else. That's kind of the whole point of this.

I dont see how anything you posted disputes what is already known. It's just generalizing based on what they want to see, and finding specific evidence to support their claims.

Not everything is so B&W.

 

[saturnalia]

this isn't radically subjective? Btw I don't think you're wrong, I just think you're right for different reasons. We can infer that more women like tall guys, in shape guys, or square jawed guys from observation but in any one case you can't know. This is why although looks are relevant they don't "matter" for a number of reasons., namely because they're so radically subjective and so easily overcome by money, status and game and are the most subjective of the 4. I'd liken it to how special teams are relevant but most games will be or could be decided on the strength of the offense or defense.

well over 2,000 posts? you must be busy ... online

facial beauty and symmetry can be measured with computer software

and looks still keep on mattering at the end of the day

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg

 

[zekko]

thing is, I see a lot of divorcees around, they have the house, the guy has usually paid additional for kids as well, a lot of these women have jobs, basically, they have their 'own' sh1t now, what they look for is a good looking guy around 5 years younger than them, sure if some wealthy dude comes along who is older, maybe not so in shape, she will swing that way but they sem to be quite happy riding younger c0cks in the meantime

Most studies I've seen show that women prefer men around four years older than themselves, and that pretty well matches what I see in real life. As you bring up, if she can find a wealthy guy she will prefer that. I know girls have jobs these days, but they are still hard wired to seek providers/successful men/alphas/. But it isn't just wealth that makes a guy high value or high status. If a guy is perceived as "cool" that will buy him points too.

It's not that looks don't matter, of course looks matter. But unlike women, guys have other ways to raise their dating value. Even if it's just that he's a big burly biker guy who can beat people up. We've all seen this, I don't see how people can deny it.

absolutely irrefutabile prof that it`s all about the looks when it comes to sex

fake profile of a male model used to ask random young women online directly to get together

click on zoom after it`s loaded

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg

Oh, dear lord, they've quoted the biggest freaking PUA cliche ever:
"Once women look for a husband and are past their expiration date (25+) they start to look at money so that they can marry a rich beta male loser and fvck hot young studs behind his back while denying him sex".

PUAs have a hard on for this, it's their favorite wish dream, because it feeds into their fantasy that every successful guy is a "beta male loser". This is so that gurus can sell thier product to guys who have nothing going for them. While the scenario presented does happen, so do numerous other scenarios. To take this one and turn it into a universal truth is pure jealousy and sour grapes.

As for this guy's profile, everyone has always said that online dating was 100% about looks, there's really nothing else to go on. And in real life, looks have value, a lot of value, so of course this guy is going to meet with success. But also in real life, if you are a cool guy with good social status, you are going to attract women also. So to say that attraction is solely based on looks is a little ridiculous.

 

[floydb25]

I'm actually suprised nobody on that site realizes that this **** is fake, more than anything. I seen that guy, and that picture before. I knew he was a male model / celebrity right away. He also wouldn't be mingling with low class women - only hotties. I mean, if a gorgeous girl came up to you like this - would you turn her down? Assuming you're not a WK or NG, or afraid of sex / *****. Kind of the same thing. You'd probably be all for it. Doesn't mean its the norm, or you dont have to work for hotties, most of the time. Even if you're on their level.

It also doesn't mean you're interested in them for more than a ONS or FWB situation. Everyone wants to bang a hottie... Doesn't mean they like or respect them. Especially not if they're like this all the time.

 

[Zerro]

2) Not all girls like meat-heads. Being skinny is not unattractive for all girls, some girls really like it. I can tell you in my area HB8+ asian girls LOVE skinny white guys. Love them.

This is true and I think that one of the big things it comes down to is that a lot of these bodybuilding types are insecure as hell. I've met a lot who are like the inverse of an anorexic woman: anorexics think that they're still fat no matter how bone-thin they really are while these dudes always think they're not buff enough. Look up Body Dismorphic Disorder sometime.

3) Some women have a HUGE thing for bald men. It is not unattractive in the eyes of all women.

Hands down the best improvement I ever made to my appearance was shaving my head. I can't have a full head of hair anymore anyhow so it was inevitable but apparently I'm some sort of reverse-Samson when it comes to looks.

 

[saturnalia]

Oh, dear lord, they've quoted the biggest freaking PUA cliche ever:
"Once women look for a husband and are past their expiration date (25+) they start to look at money so that they can marry a rich beta male loser and fvck hot young studs behind his back while denying him sex".

PUAs have a hard on for this, it's their favorite wish dream, because it feeds into their fantasy that every successful guy is a "beta male loser". This is so that gurus can sell thier product to guys who have nothing going for them. While the scenario presented does happen, so do numerous other scenarios. To take this one and turn it into a universal truth is pure jealousy and sour grapes.

As for this guy's profile, everyone has always said that online dating was 100% about looks, there's really nothing else to go on. And in real life, looks have value, a lot of value, so of course this guy is going to meet with success. But also in real life, if you are a cool guy with good social status, you are going to attract women also. So to say that attraction is solely based on looks is a little ridiculous.

if a guy is good looking and introverted he is mysterious

if a guy is avg looking and introverted he is invisible and if he starts hitting on women he`ll get labeled as a creep

looks still matter in the end

you have your looks league, stick to women from your looks range

you want HB9`s? fvck escorts, less hassle, case closed

 

[yyc12]

if a guy is good looking and introverted he is mysterious

if a guy is avg looking and introverted he is invisible

True enough,

 

[saturnalia]

I'm actually suprised nobody on that site realizes that this **** is fake, more than anything. I seen that guy, and that picture before. I knew he was a male model / celebrity right away. He also wouldn't be mingling with low class women - only hotties. I mean, if a gorgeous girl came up to you like this - would you turn her down? Assuming you're not a WK or NG, or afraid of sex / *****. Kind of the same thing. You'd probably be all for it. Doesn't mean its the norm, or you dont have to work for hotties, most of the time.

what you don`t realize is that women are stupid, self-delusional, I know a woman that`s 158cm`s and 150kg`s a disgusting landwhale and she told me she is pretty

the good looking badboys get laid, because their looks spark attraction, than they lie a bunch of bs to the woman

just like in this fvcking song, they want their superman, their perfect guy to save them from the evil world

http://vimeo.com/44104588

if you want I can deliver next week even more of this, using different profile pics

 

[saturnalia]

looks matter in the end

the pua have sold us what we wanted to hear, that looks doesn`t matter it`s all game, that we can make it to get the 10s


proof #1 - women jumping on good looking men

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg


proof #2 - David D and wife, that`s what you get after 10 years of being a pua and making 20 mil $ online

http://i.imgur.com/t3Qqu.jpg


you can`t escape the range of your looks

all the money in the world won`t buy you the prettiest wife

if your face sucks, so does your wife`s looks

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-1_spgZZZFtU/.../Q7VjcLEMUq8/s1600/bill+gates+and+melinda.jpg

 

[floydb25]

I'm not really disputing anything you say, and never had problems in regards to looks, or attracting women initially based on that. It's true that you need looks to be able to attract them, leagues do exist, etc. What I'm saying is, there's more to it. It's not so cut and dry, AND you don't necessarily need to be good looking to bang hotties, or attract women in general. Nor does being good looking guarantee that you're going to be able to attract or keep them over an extended period of time. Sex, sure. You can be pretty much anything, and still get laid, or have an FWB situation. Doesn't matter if they hate your guts, and wish you'd die.

There's also varying degrees of looks. You can't use a male model vs below average nerd - then claim to have conclusive evidence. It doesn't mean a non-male model has no chance - he just has it easier, and gets it quicker. Nor does it mean that the model is desirable beyond a fling.

This doesn't "prove" that women bang male models only - then settle with a nice guy later. That's only how you want to see it. It's all generalizing.

 

[goundra]

Looks ARE a good start, but they certainly aint ENOUGH. if you have no real followup to the "looks" start, you get very little.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

Someone who says looks don´t matter, or that game doesn´t matter is just a retarded who probably doesn´t leave his room. Who wins? The best player or the best good looking guy? It depends on a lot of factors, but for clubbing one night stands I would say looks are better. For social circle, school,college, job etc, it really depends...but the player may very well win. I know a few couples of gorgeous girls with average guys. Of course they got to know each other with constant interactions, I would say that if these average guys tried the pua approach in the club, they wouldn´t have a chance.

PS: the second guy is repulsive, he is not even average.... But sure that the experience shows something..

I think that the key point on this thread was shown by Down Low.... I really think that is the real problem, you simply have more good looking guys than girls... in a group of 10 guys 2 are in top shape, 3 have cute faces, 2 have gorgeous eyes.... these numbers arent meant to be exact of course but you get the point. Now that I remember high school times, the hot girls, were just Hot, with ugly faces if you take into account that after 23 most women are out of shape, you have a big problem... you can get a pretty one which is rare but will be out of shape. And the best thing is that you will have to work your butt off through a competition of super horny guys. Look, guys in prison **** each other... it shows how selective men are... and Hb6 has her life done...

 

[Atom Smasher]

The bottom line is that looks is what gets your foot in the door. Men cannot be "universally attractive", as can women. There exists a universal and largely cross-cultural template that the vast majority of men will respond favorably to.

Conversely, different women like different "types" of men. However, there are some principles of almost universal attributes that we can harness:

1) Be fit
2) Clean-cut look (this varies but it is by far the most attractive currently)
3) Subtle sense of style in clothing

Number two has some variables to it. If you are not clean-cut, you must convey that you are purposely that way. You need to avoid the in-between look, as if you are unkempt. When in doubt, clean-cut wins the day.

That's pretty much it. Leverage those three things and your foot will be in the door more often than not. You have eliminated the "looks" barrier.

If you have a physical issue that works against you and you can't fix right now, then leverage whatever you can and bulldog your way through. A man can easily switch a woman's perception of a physical "fault" into something that is very endearing to her after he hooks her with his character.

 

[Burroughs]

looks matter in the end

the pua have sold us what we wanted to hear, that looks doesn`t matter it`s all game, that we can make it to get the 10s


proof #1 - women jumping on good looking men

http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg


proof #2 - David D and wife, that`s what you get after 10 years of being a pua and making 20 mil $ online

http://i.imgur.com/t3Qqu.jpg


you can`t escape the range of your looks

all the money in the world won`t buy you the prettiest wife

if your face sucks, so does your wife`s looks

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-1_spgZZZFtU/.../Q7VjcLEMUq8/s1600/bill+gates+and+melinda.jpg

very true

this is timeless truth that most men will never comprehend.

women want their children to be attractive....so they fvck attractive dudes

then women need their attractive children to be provided for in high style (gucci is expensive foo' )...so they marry beta rich dudes

of course a man can be attractive and rich....but that is rare these days...and most hawt skanks don't camp out at Harvard or Caltech

 

[NobodyCares1]

Lol, if you try to pick up girls online of course it's going to be only about looks. All the girls that need to get guys online are damaged goods anyway. I'm not saying that looks don't matter, they do matter a lot but it doesn't mean that if you're not good looking you can't get a hot girl.

I've seen a lot of girls chasing unattractive guys, guys that I've heared other girls saying how ugly he is. Of course good looking guys get a huge advatage but that doesn't mean that girls will automatically jump on his ****, a lot of them will still play hard to get and do their sh!t tests.

Looks do matter but only to some extend.