saturnalia
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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
That screen cap was tougher to swallow than the Red Pill. I'm sure there are guys that say not all women are like that.saturnalia said:absolutely irrefutabile prof that it`s all about the looks when it comes to sex
fake profile of a male model used to ask random young women online directly to get together
click on zoom after it`s loaded
http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg
This is priceless. Thanks for the share!saturnalia said:absolutely irrefutabile prof that it`s all about the looks when it comes to sex
fake profile of a male model used to ask random young women online directly to get together
click on zoom after it`s loaded
http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg
zekko said:Cute is one thing, hot is another.
I remember a time when this thread would have been deleted. That was back in the day when more people bought into the pickup guru myth that looks don't matter. People seem to have a more realistic view on the topic now, although maybe the pendulumn has swung back a bit too far. Looks will never be as important on men as on women, because men have so many more ways to attain high value.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
well over 2,000 posts? you must be busy ... onlinePairPlusRoyalFlush said:this isn't radically subjective? Btw I don't think you're wrong, I just think you're right for different reasons. We can infer that more women like tall guys, in shape guys, or square jawed guys from observation but in any one case you can't know. This is why although looks are relevant they don't "matter" for a number of reasons., namely because they're so radically subjective and so easily overcome by money, status and game and are the most subjective of the 4. I'd liken it to how special teams are relevant but most games will be or could be decided on the strength of the offense or defense.
Most studies I've seen show that women prefer men around four years older than themselves, and that pretty well matches what I see in real life. As you bring up, if she can find a wealthy guy she will prefer that. I know girls have jobs these days, but they are still hard wired to seek providers/successful men/alphas/. But it isn't just wealth that makes a guy high value or high status. If a guy is perceived as "cool" that will buy him points too.betheman said:thing is, I see a lot of divorcees around, they have the house, the guy has usually paid additional for kids as well, a lot of these women have jobs, basically, they have their 'own' sh1t now, what they look for is a good looking guy around 5 years younger than them, sure if some wealthy dude comes along who is older, maybe not so in shape, she will swing that way but they sem to be quite happy riding younger c0cks in the meantime
Oh, dear lord, they've quoted the biggest freaking PUA cliche ever:saturnalia said:absolutely irrefutabile prof that it`s all about the looks when it comes to sex
fake profile of a male model used to ask random young women online directly to get together
click on zoom after it`s loaded
http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg
This is true and I think that one of the big things it comes down to is that a lot of these bodybuilding types are insecure as hell. I've met a lot who are like the inverse of an anorexic woman: anorexics think that they're still fat no matter how bone-thin they really are while these dudes always think they're not buff enough. Look up Body Dismorphic Disorder sometime.TillTheEndOfTime said:2) Not all girls like meat-heads. Being skinny is not unattractive for all girls, some girls really like it. I can tell you in my area HB8+ asian girls LOVE skinny white guys. Love them.
Hands down the best improvement I ever made to my appearance was shaving my head. I can't have a full head of hair anymore anyhow so it was inevitable but apparently I'm some sort of reverse-Samson when it comes to looks.TillTheEndOfTime said:3) Some women have a HUGE thing for bald men. It is not unattractive in the eyes of all women.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
zekko said:Oh, dear lord, they've quoted the biggest freaking PUA cliche ever:
"Once women look for a husband and are past their expiration date (25+) they start to look at money so that they can marry a rich beta male loser and fvck hot young studs behind his back while denying him sex".
PUAs have a hard on for this, it's their favorite wish dream, because it feeds into their fantasy that every successful guy is a "beta male loser". This is so that gurus can sell thier product to guys who have nothing going for them. While the scenario presented does happen, so do numerous other scenarios. To take this one and turn it into a universal truth is pure jealousy and sour grapes.
As for this guy's profile, everyone has always said that online dating was 100% about looks, there's really nothing else to go on. And in real life, looks have value, a lot of value, so of course this guy is going to meet with success. But also in real life, if you are a cool guy with good social status, you are going to attract women also. So to say that attraction is solely based on looks is a little ridiculous.
True enough,saturnalia said:if a guy is good looking and introverted he is mysterious
if a guy is avg looking and introverted he is invisible
what you don`t realize is that women are stupid, self-delusional, I know a woman that`s 158cm`s and 150kg`s a disgusting landwhale and she told me she is prettyfloydb25 said:I'm actually suprised nobody on that site realizes that this **** is fake, more than anything. I seen that guy, and that picture before. I knew he was a male model / celebrity right away. He also wouldn't be mingling with low class women - only hotties. I mean, if a gorgeous girl came up to you like this - would you turn her down? Assuming you're not a WK or NG, or afraid of sex / *****. Kind of the same thing. You'd probably be all for it. Doesn't mean its the norm, or you dont have to work for hotties, most of the time.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
very truesaturnalia said:looks matter in the end
the pua have sold us what we wanted to hear, that looks doesn`t matter it`s all game, that we can make it to get the 10s
proof #1 - women jumping on good looking men
http://i.imgur.com/6yJjL.jpg
proof #2 - David D and wife, that`s what you get after 10 years of being a pua and making 20 mil $ online
http://i.imgur.com/t3Qqu.jpg
you can`t escape the range of your looks
all the money in the world won`t buy you the prettiest wife
if your face sucks, so does your wife`s looks
https://lh3.ggpht.com/-1_spgZZZFtU/.../Q7VjcLEMUq8/s1600/bill+gates+and+melinda.jpg
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.