"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]
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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Brian20o2
Master Don Juan
IMO
Looks = 15%
Body language = 65%
Personality = 20%
Of your game they may give you an edge but by no means do you have no chance if your ugly.
Looks = 15%
Body language = 65%
Personality = 20%
Of your game they may give you an edge but by no means do you have no chance if your ugly.
i disagree with the poster 100%.
if looks played such a big deal, then why do we have so many success stories from people who are average looking that are great pua's.
I know a lot of good looking guys that suck with women (the women are actually approach them, and if it wasnt for their looks they would never score.).
On the other hand, i know a lot of average people that are good with girls.
if i were to rate what girls wanted its like this:
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1) alphaness - the ability to demonstrate leadership and control. Domineer the pack. The toughest meanest, ugliest sons of a *****es are usually the alpha males. (Donald Trump for example, Race car drivers, rock and roll stars, professional athletes also fall under this category).
2) personality - being fun. you don't have to be funny but just fun. People have to want to be around you. (flamboyantly gay people fall under this category, why do you think hot women always hang around them, i guaruantee that if they were straight, they would be banging the hell out of him).
3) exclusivity - being rich, foreign, a prince, anything that makes you different from every other guy that the girl hangs out with. (For example an australian in australia gets no play but bring him here to the United States and the all love him).
4) Looks - height, body, facial features, anything that makes you aestetically pleasing to the eye.
if looks played such a big deal, then why do we have so many success stories from people who are average looking that are great pua's.
I know a lot of good looking guys that suck with women (the women are actually approach them, and if it wasnt for their looks they would never score.).
On the other hand, i know a lot of average people that are good with girls.
if i were to rate what girls wanted its like this:
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1) alphaness - the ability to demonstrate leadership and control. Domineer the pack. The toughest meanest, ugliest sons of a *****es are usually the alpha males. (Donald Trump for example, Race car drivers, rock and roll stars, professional athletes also fall under this category).
2) personality - being fun. you don't have to be funny but just fun. People have to want to be around you. (flamboyantly gay people fall under this category, why do you think hot women always hang around them, i guaruantee that if they were straight, they would be banging the hell out of him).
3) exclusivity - being rich, foreign, a prince, anything that makes you different from every other guy that the girl hangs out with. (For example an australian in australia gets no play but bring him here to the United States and the all love him).
4) Looks - height, body, facial features, anything that makes you aestetically pleasing to the eye.
Distant Light
Master Don Juan
God i'm tired of this same topic.
Looks doesn't fuvking matter it only can help you think of it as a power up in ur game, so is working out its a power up to your game. Your skills in the game is what gets you the lays, now if you want to get a better score in the game (better looking girls) then also work on ur body language.
Put it like this
"The DJ GAme"
Objective - fuvk the girls
This game relys on skill in order to win, and get higher caliber women. If you want a easier game learn the fundmentals and bodylangauge of the game.
Powerups (Only helps to make it a bit easier)
- Looks
- Height
- In shape
- Great Cloth
Bottomline looks don't matter and to say its 90% of your game, hell no how the hell are ugly guys getting girls then?
Powerups
Looks doesn't fuvking matter it only can help you think of it as a power up in ur game, so is working out its a power up to your game. Your skills in the game is what gets you the lays, now if you want to get a better score in the game (better looking girls) then also work on ur body language.
Put it like this
"The DJ GAme"
Objective - fuvk the girls
This game relys on skill in order to win, and get higher caliber women. If you want a easier game learn the fundmentals and bodylangauge of the game.
Powerups (Only helps to make it a bit easier)
- Looks
- Height
- In shape
- Great Cloth
Bottomline looks don't matter and to say its 90% of your game, hell no how the hell are ugly guys getting girls then?
Powerups
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Tha Realnezz
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I agree. Personality comes a close second..
I think looks/image/attitude is 80% and personality 20%.If your are of average size,looks and a socialble at least even remotley fun to be around then there's no telling where you can go..
I think looks/image/attitude is 80% and personality 20%.If your are of average size,looks and a socialble at least even remotley fun to be around then there's no telling where you can go..
Kerensky
Master Don Juan
I agree 100%.
My friend since 2nd grade is a senior in HS w/me. I am friends w/ a HB9 (wingwoman sorta lol) who I've known since 1st grade.
Anyways, this guy is pretty good looking and he's done absolutely nothing, no C&F or anything and the HB9 friend likes him.
I on the other hand had to work on 7s and 8s and am struggling with them w/kino, ****y funny, workin out, etc.
see the difference? now i'm not a master DJ despite the post count.
but when i was 200 lbs, i got 0 gfs, but 10 female friends.
i dropoped to 170 lbs and i got 2 gfs, and 8 female friends....who were converted. still i am a skinny bastard and need to bulk because i did not lose weight coreectly. anyways, the point is, looks have made the biggest diff in my interactions w/girls.
also, mr. jariel on this site had before/after pics i've seen and seriously, i'm not gay but he looks like a model in the after pics opposed to a dungeons and dragons addict int the before pics (no offense man).
this debate will continue, but that is just how i see things. some guys will open their eyes and see what i see, others will open their eyess and see something else. but i truuly think that looks matter 80% + if you're not some ***** whipped punk who follows girls like a puppy and has 0 social skill.
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EDIT: Also, who the hell are these UGLY GUYS you speak of getting girls??? WHO THE FUK ARE THEY. SHOW ME
My friend since 2nd grade is a senior in HS w/me. I am friends w/ a HB9 (wingwoman sorta lol) who I've known since 1st grade.
Anyways, this guy is pretty good looking and he's done absolutely nothing, no C&F or anything and the HB9 friend likes him.
I on the other hand had to work on 7s and 8s and am struggling with them w/kino, ****y funny, workin out, etc.
see the difference? now i'm not a master DJ despite the post count.
but when i was 200 lbs, i got 0 gfs, but 10 female friends.
i dropoped to 170 lbs and i got 2 gfs, and 8 female friends....who were converted. still i am a skinny bastard and need to bulk because i did not lose weight coreectly. anyways, the point is, looks have made the biggest diff in my interactions w/girls.
also, mr. jariel on this site had before/after pics i've seen and seriously, i'm not gay but he looks like a model in the after pics opposed to a dungeons and dragons addict int the before pics (no offense man).
this debate will continue, but that is just how i see things. some guys will open their eyes and see what i see, others will open their eyess and see something else. but i truuly think that looks matter 80% + if you're not some ***** whipped punk who follows girls like a puppy and has 0 social skill.
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EDIT: Also, who the hell are these UGLY GUYS you speak of getting girls??? WHO THE FUK ARE THEY. SHOW ME
triumvirate
Don Juan
Looks do matter, let us be realistic. But how much of your game it is depends on what you want out of a young lady, though.
If you are very good-looking and looking for a One Night Stand, it is a large part of your game. Step one, enter club, Step two leave with beautiful girl.
If your goal is to have a meaningful relationship, to repeat a time-honored phrase: looks will get you in the door but you have to have something else to get farther. There are countless good-looking fellas out there who are constantly in and out of relationships. One reason is alot of them are with girls who are with them to show them off, and the others dont know how to maintain the attraction of females.
The good news for you and every other guy is that you can control everything below your chin and above your forehead looks wise. You can always get more cut or more built, have a good haircut, smell good, dress well. These all play into "looks" and your "game" will be better received.
Its not always the product, sometimes its the packaging and the marketing.
If you are very good-looking and looking for a One Night Stand, it is a large part of your game. Step one, enter club, Step two leave with beautiful girl.
If your goal is to have a meaningful relationship, to repeat a time-honored phrase: looks will get you in the door but you have to have something else to get farther. There are countless good-looking fellas out there who are constantly in and out of relationships. One reason is alot of them are with girls who are with them to show them off, and the others dont know how to maintain the attraction of females.
The good news for you and every other guy is that you can control everything below your chin and above your forehead looks wise. You can always get more cut or more built, have a good haircut, smell good, dress well. These all play into "looks" and your "game" will be better received.
Its not always the product, sometimes its the packaging and the marketing.
It's not how "good you look", it's how "attractive" you are.
There is one thing that is very true though...
You MUST do the absolute best with what you got.
If you're an ugly guy, and also 100lbs overweight, have ****ty confidence and weakling body language, OF COURSE girls aren't going to go after you. Even if you have tight convo skills!
If you are an ug, then you should do everything in your power to do the absolute best with what you got! Go to the gym, get in TIP TOP shape. Get a six pack, get broader shoulders. Work on your image and your attitude. Learn how to communicate with non-verbal signals, and learn how to act and behave like an alpha male. Learn how to not give a ****, and learn how to show women that you are a MAN.
You can say looks matter all you want, but there is just too much evidence against your claim. Looks are a factor. Definitely. Being a "HOT MODEL HUNK" is obviously the easiest way to get laid with little to no work...however, most of us are not hot model hunks. Lucky for us, we have game. And it's been shown time and time again that looks matter MUCH MORE to men, than they do to women.
I can think of 10 PUAs offhand who are average or ugly that can get hot women faster than some of the best looking guys out there. Style, Tyler, Papa, Rick H, Steve Piccus, Gunwitch, Loverboy, Doc, Elvis Preston King, Herbal...
There are plenty plenty more.
Now, I have to ask you a question. When are you going to STOP making excuses for yourself, and get out there and change yourself?
If it makes you feels better to think that looks are really important, and that's why you're not having the success that you want, then so be it. But just know that the real problem lies in your mindset and motivation. Many, many ugly or average guys have paved the way for you. They have laid down, step by step by step exactly what you have to do to get laid, or to find a partner. There is really no new frontier you have to embark on. You simply have to take the advice and learn the lessons that the greats of yesterday learned.
It's solely your choice. At the very least I ask that you stop making excuses for yourself, and make the best out of what you've got.
GL.
There is one thing that is very true though...
You MUST do the absolute best with what you got.
If you're an ugly guy, and also 100lbs overweight, have ****ty confidence and weakling body language, OF COURSE girls aren't going to go after you. Even if you have tight convo skills!
If you are an ug, then you should do everything in your power to do the absolute best with what you got! Go to the gym, get in TIP TOP shape. Get a six pack, get broader shoulders. Work on your image and your attitude. Learn how to communicate with non-verbal signals, and learn how to act and behave like an alpha male. Learn how to not give a ****, and learn how to show women that you are a MAN.
You can say looks matter all you want, but there is just too much evidence against your claim. Looks are a factor. Definitely. Being a "HOT MODEL HUNK" is obviously the easiest way to get laid with little to no work...however, most of us are not hot model hunks. Lucky for us, we have game. And it's been shown time and time again that looks matter MUCH MORE to men, than they do to women.
I can think of 10 PUAs offhand who are average or ugly that can get hot women faster than some of the best looking guys out there. Style, Tyler, Papa, Rick H, Steve Piccus, Gunwitch, Loverboy, Doc, Elvis Preston King, Herbal...
There are plenty plenty more.
Now, I have to ask you a question. When are you going to STOP making excuses for yourself, and get out there and change yourself?
If it makes you feels better to think that looks are really important, and that's why you're not having the success that you want, then so be it. But just know that the real problem lies in your mindset and motivation. Many, many ugly or average guys have paved the way for you. They have laid down, step by step by step exactly what you have to do to get laid, or to find a partner. There is really no new frontier you have to embark on. You simply have to take the advice and learn the lessons that the greats of yesterday learned.
It's solely your choice. At the very least I ask that you stop making excuses for yourself, and make the best out of what you've got.
GL.
Kerensky
Master Don Juan
I just wanna say, if you put Brad Pitt in a room and Style or whoever the **** PUA yuo want, the woman will choose Brad Pitt. Even if Pitt says "i love u...ur the world to me....etc."
The simple truth. Also, nishbuk is right about makin excuses. Stop lying to yourself and change and gain muscle or lose fat or BOTH. You are not doing all you can to maximize your potential. and that is why although some dj tactics can land you a few numbers and date, you lose in the long run
The simple truth. Also, nishbuk is right about makin excuses. Stop lying to yourself and change and gain muscle or lose fat or BOTH. You are not doing all you can to maximize your potential. and that is why although some dj tactics can land you a few numbers and date, you lose in the long run
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Totally disagree. Went to the stripclub last night for a friends 21st, and all these AFC tipping this HB8.5 stripper, whilst I was just sitting in the back area chilling/drinking, nearly at the end of her dance she spotted me, and after her dance she approached me (I wasn't surprised at all, I knew she had to approach me
), yer we talked for over an hr and she skipped her dance to keep talking with me, we talked about all random **** like tattoos (she had 2 tats on her back), the scratch on her bum (from the floor), perfumes(she smelt soo nice), talked a bit about me n about her as well, and she asked me if i was gay? I was like **** no haha, and she said I have very pretty eyes, kinda corny . Well the point is if i was a average looker, i'm 110% certain that she would never approach me unless I tipped her big when she was dancing. Looks is a big factor, don't underestimate it.I could of took this chick home if I wanted to.
have u guys seen Christina Aguilera's husband? LOL....enuff said
I've asked girls about this and they tell me that obviously they are initially more attracted to better looking guys (w/o any interaction) but they would still f*ck someone who doesn't look like a male model as long as he takes care of what he does have.
You can fix your hair, your beard, your tan, workout, cut your nails, shower, smell good, stuff like that
But I would definitaly have to say that BODY LANGUAGE is more important than actual looks themselves.
And personality is the thing that determines the length of the relationship.
I've asked girls about this and they tell me that obviously they are initially more attracted to better looking guys (w/o any interaction) but they would still f*ck someone who doesn't look like a male model as long as he takes care of what he does have.
You can fix your hair, your beard, your tan, workout, cut your nails, shower, smell good, stuff like that
But I would definitaly have to say that BODY LANGUAGE is more important than actual looks themselves.
And personality is the thing that determines the length of the relationship.
This topic has been discussed soo many times. All I would like to add is that being fat sends a clear message to the gal: you don't have the willpower or drive to push you to limits and keep you in shape. In other words, you are lazy and this probably applies to other areas in your life as well. Im not saying pure looks doesn't have effect, im just saying that looks isnt the only signal you are sending but there are several other implications.
It doesn't make sense. It's obvious that a woman prefers to brag about having sex with Brad Pitt rather than Style. But if you put in the same room Style and someone really beautiful but not famous, Style will win without a doubt.
Clubs is the only place where looks are around 80% of your game.
I know a guy who looks like a model, he's 6'2 and pretty muscular with a beautiful face. Almost no girl is attracted by him (except his hot girlfriend) because he usually looks tense and anxious. He's not a complete nut (he's really clever) nor a social deflect (he's got lots of friends), he's simply insecure.
This explains why my friend Julian, who's 5'10, fat as Jabba the Hutt, with a greasy and pimpled face walks arm-in-arm and hooks up with HB8s all the time. I used to think it was because he started working as a Club Manager at 16, but probably it's because of his great looks...
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Originally posted by unknownDJ
Totally disagree. Went to the stripclub last night for a friends 21st, and all these AFC tipping this HB8.5 stripper, whilst I was just sitting in the back area chilling/drinking, nearly at the end of her dance she spotted me, and after her dance she approached me (I wasn't surprised at all, I knew she had to approach me
I could of took this chick home if I wanted to.
Probably she wanted to befriend you because you were the only one who didn't look like a weird maniac. Good LJBF!
Man, I'm sorry but most of you have no idea what you're talking about.
Looks is 90% of your game? In clubs its 80%? WTF
Tyler Durden of RSD isn't very goodlooking. Neither is Style (Neil Strauss). Nonetheless, they pull hot girls off of goodlooking AMOGS (and boyfriends) ALL THE TIME. Investigate the facts before you go around making huge sweeping generalizations like this.
Looks is 90% of your game? In clubs its 80%? WTF
Tyler Durden of RSD isn't very goodlooking. Neither is Style (Neil Strauss). Nonetheless, they pull hot girls off of goodlooking AMOGS (and boyfriends) ALL THE TIME. Investigate the facts before you go around making huge sweeping generalizations like this.
OfficeSpace
Master Don Juan
I hapen to think looks do matter! A lot actually... But this differs from girl-to-girl. Some girls care more about looks than others.
I know a lot of "average" girls who have more guys than the hot ones... Because, they're "easy." So don't bring up the argument of how average guys have more girls than the good looking ones.
Sure it helps to have game... But if you look like a monkey out of hell, your chances are lessened!
Women do care about looks. They just lie to themselves and the people around them that they don't. No woman wants to think of herself as "shallow."
If you're ugly... Concentrate on getting more money or settling for less. An HB 8 or 9 usually won't go for an ugly, fat, short dude...
I know a lot of "average" girls who have more guys than the hot ones... Because, they're "easy." So don't bring up the argument of how average guys have more girls than the good looking ones.
Sure it helps to have game... But if you look like a monkey out of hell, your chances are lessened!
Women do care about looks. They just lie to themselves and the people around them that they don't. No woman wants to think of herself as "shallow."
If you're ugly... Concentrate on getting more money or settling for less. An HB 8 or 9 usually won't go for an ugly, fat, short dude...
Roly
Senior Don Juan
It's all about emotions
Sure women can enjoy a man's looks, but one thing for sure is they will always be social creatures which enjoys one thing- EMOTIONS.
They want to FEEL. So if you can give them the right type of emotions that they crave, there all yours.
A list of " ugly/mediocre looking" dudes that are fantastic with women:
- Ron Jeremy
- Rock Stars - Gene Simmon
- That short midget from Fantasy Island
- Humprey Bogart
- that short disabled dude from one of David Deangelo's ****y Comedy seminars.
Sure of course, if you really value yourself, that doesn't mean you can't work on your looks as well.
Sure women can enjoy a man's looks, but one thing for sure is they will always be social creatures which enjoys one thing- EMOTIONS.
They want to FEEL. So if you can give them the right type of emotions that they crave, there all yours.
A list of " ugly/mediocre looking" dudes that are fantastic with women:
- Ron Jeremy
- Rock Stars - Gene Simmon
- That short midget from Fantasy Island
- Humprey Bogart
- that short disabled dude from one of David Deangelo's ****y Comedy seminars.
Sure of course, if you really value yourself, that doesn't mean you can't work on your looks as well.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
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