Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[Docs]

Think of it this way.
No amount of smooth talking and touching will get a sexy lady to have sex with a wart.

 

[Wolves]

I don't know why you're all even arguing about this **** anyway lol. I think Gunwitch said it best when he gave the two scales example, basically you combine your looks on a 1-10 scale and your DJ ability, personality, w/e you want to call it on another 1-10 scale, then divide by two and that's your maximum capacity.

So say a guy is a 5, but he's got a 10 on the social skill scale, his max would be 7.5.

Saying that good looking guys always have it easy isn't accurate, especially when dealing with girls who have low self esteem. I see a lot of you making the assumption that a good looking guy will be able to approach any girl and already be at a huge advantage due to physical attraction--that girls will make it EASY for any attractive guy who approaches them (they'll pick up more slack in the conversation, etc) which may be true some of the time, but definitely not all. One BIG assumption you're making here is that girls are somehow perfect at social interaction, that they know exactly what to say/do and when to say/do it, which DEFINITELY isn't true. An extremely good looking guy who walks up to either A) a girl under his level of attractiveness or B) a girl with low self esteem. I've approached HOTT girls who appear really frigid or distant at first, but then after I've built up a comfort level (which can either take a few minutes or a few meetings depending on the girl) they tell me about how nervous they were when I first started talking to them, how they didn't want to say anything stupid or sound weird, etc etc. Don't make the assumption that every hott girl is gonna be completely 100% confident and sure of herself on an approach. In this way I think average looking guys can have it easier, because the girl doesn't get as nervous, although the less attractive you are the more effort you have to put in to get a girl who's a few points above you on that 1-10 scale. Some girls yeah, they'll be entirely superficial and blow off any guy who doesn't live up to their standards, that's the way life is.

At any rate, is it possible for an ugly guy to get a hott girl? Of course it is, for reasons ranging from sincere interest in the guy's personality, many shared interests and a quality connection, to pity sex. You don't have to argue over whether its POSSIBLE, as its been proven over and over again that it certainly is, but to you guys who seem to be spouting that old saying "looks dont matter, its all about personality, bla bla", just remember it's been proven countless times over that the bigger the difference in physical attractiveness between partners the higher the chance that the relationship will fail.

So the ugly guys you see with hot girls just remember, its POSSIBLE, that doesn't mean it will last.

 

[Docs]

No, the wart will probably need a good personality, and plenty of self-confidence.

We need to have a test canidate. Comeon Ralph, I got glue for you!!!

Alright, here's some examples;
Exhibit 1: 9.0: http://hotornot.com/r/?eid=AEGUKRE-YKV
Exhibit 2: 8.7: http://hotornot.com/r/?eid=AEGLHZK-EMF
Exhibit 3: 7.1: http://hotornot.com/r/?eid=AYBYKLK-YLU
Exhibit 4: 5.7: http://hotornot.com/r/?eid=AZHZEZE-XXT
Exhibit 5: 5.5: http://hotornot.com/r/?eid=AESENEA-YWB
Exhibit 6: 5.0: http://www.uglypersons.com/index.php?id=162&c=all
Exhibit 7: 4.3: http://hotornot.com/r/?eid=ALSYRRN-CEK
Exhibit 8: 3.9: http://hotornot.com/r/?eid=AZHQEME-AGF

Basing this on a scale where 7 = Cute, 5 = Below normal...look at the pictures. For the sake of argument, I know it's inaccurate rating sites, but you can see the difference in looks...

Figure out how much of a personality kick each of them need to attract...something like...
Exhibit 9: 9.6: http://hotornot.com/r/?eid=A8ALOZG-NKM

 

[persiangino]

If the first one is a '9' then what is Orlando Bloom? 100? LOL

 

[Docs]

^ We're talking real non celebrity people....on HotOrNot. Be realistic here.

 

[Ripper]

If the first one is a '9' then what is Orlando Bloom? 100? LOL

Lmao

 

[persiangino]

^ We're talking real non celebrity people....on HotOrNot. Be realistic here.

who said all celebrities were good looking, in fact most are ugly. I just used bloom cause he happens to be good looking.

 

[skip2mylou781]

an ugly guy cannot CANNOT have self confidence when it comes to looks. An ugly guy walking around like hes da shyt is the same as an ugly fat cow or a woman walkin around like all the guys owe her somethin cuz shes supposedly hot.

self confidence cannot be faked, it needs to be based on something real!!! (aka success, money, looks) - but it is the self confidence derived from one's own looks that is the #1 deciding factor on how good a guy is in getting good looking girls.

 

[BluEyes]

Looks matter more than personality. Period.

The only real way to determine this is if you have a constant in the "equation".

Okay, two guys who have the exact same personality/confidence level score a date with the same chick. They both have a solid 8.0/10.0 personality. In physical attractiveness, Guy-A is a solid 5.5 while Guy-B is a shocking 8.5.

Girl goes home with Guy-B on Tuesday. After snuggling on the couch watching a movie, girl ****s Guy-B.

On Wednesday, Girl goes home with Guy-A. After snuggling on the couch watching a movie, girl goes in for a kiss and her lips touch Guy-A's greasy face and she grabs onto Guy-A's manboob to support herself. Guy-A leaves after apologizing.

Girl remember's the good **** with Guy-B and calls him over. Girl finishes watching movie with Guy-B. Girl ****s Guy-B.

The End.


Guy's who are preaching 'personality is everything'...What the hell are you thinking?

You say girls respond by emotion right? You're right...But....All the sweet-talking in the world isn't going to make most girls orgasm.

At the end of the day, the girl isn't fvcking your personality; She's fvcking you physically.

Looks matter more than personality. Period.

 

[Holland]

From what you guys are saying (docs etc) I see that you guys say:
Looks = Looks(you get through DNA), appearance, masculinity, body language

In that case. I agree that looks are about 50% of your game.

But as for the Looks that I'm talking about it's about 5% at most.

Being overweight is something you can change, it's appearance, how you take care of yourself. That's a very important point when it comes to women. If you don't even respect yourself (by not taking care of your body) how can you expect her to respect you.
This has nothing to do with looks you got from your heritage.
(anyone who tells me that it's genetic and it's impossible for some people to lose weight, that's bullshiit, everyone can change!)

 

[Docs]

I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make here, but I guess you're saying the "9.6" crackup:, btw) wouldn't go for a guy with a great personality unless he's very good-looking? That's a shame. Because I have a hunchback and HORRID acne...but I know that chick in the picture, and I happen to know she's got a fetish for hunchbacks. Man, I don't know what I'd do if she only dated attractive guys!

Right...lets not make yourself to more then what you really are. I call bs on you knowing her, just because it was a random chick on HotOrNot. If you really, in life know her, that's nice, but don't go about it on the Internet, because I don't care.

Secondly, that fetish is one in a million. Maybe you scored the lucky end of the stick, but really, if you had a hunchback and had holes like swiss cheese and pepperoni spots all over you, comeon now....

 

[Ripper]

Surely a guy who's ugly but with self-confidence is much more intriguing than a guy who's good-looking with self-confidence precisely because it's paradoxical?

 

[Docs]

This actually is key in understanding the mindset of fanatical "looks matter" zealots. See, you actually thought I was serious. Besides the fact that the facts that I laid out for you were outlandish to the point that it was impossible to mistake for sincerity (at least so I thought), you inadvertantly left clues as to why you not only did not detect the sarcasm, but why you still believe that looks matter.

Not really, I'm not trying to boast/destory ego here, but some people want to say they know somebody to appear cool on the INet. So, on the offchance I was wrong, I worded it like I did.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

On a sidenote, if Skip were more respectful during this debate, I may have called for a moment of silence in honor of his long overdue Banning...

Oh no, say it isn't so!!!! I had to read this twice. How the hell could such a thing happen??!!!

 

[Cod3r]

Skippin ain't easy :rockon:


-Cod3r

 

[Holland]

if you had a hunchback and had holes like swiss cheese and pepperoni spots all over you

Those are all things you can change. That's not looks, it's appereance.
Except for the hunchback (if it's a real hunchback, c'mon, 1 in 10.000 people was such a thing, that doesn't count)

It seems to me the we can conclude that looks are not the most important thing to attracting women, they play a very small role.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Your never going to know the true meaning of a womans actions, its a pointless exercise to even try. Fvcking something because their good looking is what guys do, its logical and makes sense.

listen to that statement: we fvck girls becuase they look good becuase its LOGICAL...

So why is it logical? what is so logical about that? oh and according to your lame theory that looks dont matter, why would a girl fcking a guy becuase of good game be illogical?

kid, heres a lesson, we fvck women not becuase it is logical, but because it gives us pleasure. we eat food becuase it gives us pleasure when we are hungry, we drink becuase it gives us pleasure when we are thirsty. Women work the same way. THey fvck guys becuase it gives them pleasure (although only if the guy is hot to her, otherwise it would be painful). Its all about pleasure, not logic. get it straight.

Women fvck things because of emotions not logical thought. Logically speaking because my life is not run by my emotions I cannot really every deduce, predict, or understand the true point of a womans actions. To do so would cause my head to explode.

the whole logic of your post is just illogical. it makes no sense. please stop posting, you make yourself look stupid.

You guys really think that girls simply just fvck who they think is hot?

Do you really think girls simply just fvck a guy only becuase he acted a certain way? now that is irrational thinking! so are you really a woman? :crackup:

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Way to stir s'hit up after a week. Should've let sleeping dogs lie.



"Your" needs an apostrophe in these instances, and "rebut" is spelled with only one "R". Don't f'uck with me when it comes to eloquence. Save your energy for discussions on the topics of excessively long posting, and using multiple exclamation points to advance your talking points.

um, first of all, I spelled rebutt with one R not 2. learn how to read and count letters.

And Ill say it again, you do not have enough eloquence to be rebutting my posts. your answers suck. you still cant explain that comment that discredited you about variance in taste some how equating that women dont care about a guy looking good. that comment basically took your credibility out of the argument.

a guy can be ulgy(sic) to most women, but to one girl, he can be cute to her.

Which is why looks don't matter when it comes to women. There's someone out there for everyone.

wow, you dont even get the argument. The theory says that hot women require that she sees a guy to be good looking, ie looks are very important to her. The guy only has to be good looking to her, it doesnt matter what he is to anyone else. Again, how does the fact that women have different tastes in what looks good mean that they place little importance on a guy looking good to them? 2 totally different things.

Let me rephrase your own lame argument in terms you can understand:

men have different tastes in what women look good, so this means men dont care about the way a woman looks

Do you agree with this statement? I didnt think so. Well guess what, this is the very argument you have put forth that is supposed to prove looks dont matter to women. weak and nonsensical, I know. :nono:

so how do you know that hes ugly in the eyes of these women? exactly, you dont. oops, you dont win.

Because I get confirmation from women. My victory stands.

Yeah, Im so sure you have a female spotter with you on hand everytime you spot an ugly guy with a hot girl.

The only argument you have put forth is the same old worn out argument of spotting an ugly guy with a hot girl. How many times do I have to explain to you that the woman he is with personally thinks he is hot, and thus why she is with him. she places high importance on looks, she though he looked good in her eyes, and thus got with him. simple and consistent with the theory.

So how about you explain the observation that there are lots of women bragging about their BF being hot, lots of women luaghing and giggling when a stud walks by, the observation of women checking out a guys ass and saying "ohh, hes got a nice ass! mm, I just wanna bite it!" or whissling and yelling out the car window "hey baby!" at some hot guy walking down the street as they drive past him, acting just like men in this respect (weird, women acting just like men in checking men out, hmmmmm, gee this shouldnt be happening according to your looks dont matter, women are different logic). Or the observation that Ive talked with hot women about this and they told me they couldnt live with themselves dating a guy thats not hot to them. THe observation that me and skip both consistently experience every girl weve been with have considered us hot. I mean, if looks are of so little importance to women, and women are different in this respect, then I wouldnt expect to be seeing women displaying this kind of behavior or these observations. But I am observing them, so then this means your theory isnt holding up well. And If our theory were correct, I would expect these observations to be occuring, which in fact are occuring, so you know what that means.

On a sidenote, can we get a deletion on the sad looks-matter guy that recreated my name in all caps? Not as if it helps your case any, skip.

It wouldnt surprise me at all if that was you behind that impersonator of you. It seems like a creative way to try to get skip banned for trolling. Just sounds like the kind of tactic you would resort to when the argument isnt going your way. Dont ask me why, it just seems like you could be doing that for that reason.

 

[Holland]

Women fuuck a guy who is skilled. She won't get any pleasure from a guy who doesn't know how to turn her ON, she doesn't want to go to bed with you if your a beautifull mannequin but don't know how to handle a woman.

Men on the other hand WILL fuuck with a women who is model handsome, because they are turned on instantly just at the sight of a beautfill woman.

She wants to have sex with you when you spark her attraction (communication style, no good looks required), have her trust and you turn her on (trough certain behaviour/bodylanguage triggers). Period.

I'm tired of being ignored over here. My points are being proven over and over again in reality. You know this is true. I'm out. I wish you guys good luck with using your guy thinking on people that are not guys (women).

Okay then, explain how girls in the past have had no attraction to me (back when I was an AFC), yet now I get those same girls attracted to me (and quite a bit I'll add). Surely I look the same now now as I did 6 months ago, and even if my 'game' wasn't as good back then, surely - according to you - they should still have been attracted to me

Exactly. This point will probably ignored again by them (I made it too and it got ignored), cause this proves it and they can't deny that skills matter more than looks.

Cheers.

PS:
Deux ex: I've got a feeling that god of getting laid (what a genius of a nick ), skipmylou etc. are just a bunch of pathetic dudes who just claim to be masters with women, because they fuucked some women (getting women is easy, getting quality women is something else). And now they want to win this argument so that they can claim they are goodlooking etc, without looking at the bigger picture and to what is possible with these skills. I'm not going to get into a deeper argument here, since they probably are to stubborn anyways. I recommend you do the same, it's not worth it. We know we are right, we don't have to trip out on others to prove that.

 

[Remulak]

Deus, you're a real zealot when it comes to defending the 'Looks don't mean shyt' debate. Why do you think looks are so unimportant?