"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Steve Olieve

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Hey, I've been looking at this site and the discussion forums for quite some time now, but this is my first post.


I'm 18 and I'm a college kid. I've been hooking up with three different girls the past couple weeks and I've been trying to tie them all down so that I always have at least these three girls to hit -- you know, for the winter time. Two I got under control but the third one is weird.

The girl I'm having problems with I met a couple days ago. Her name is Anastasia and we were back at my place, about to get down; I got a good read on the attraction level, kino was great, and suddenly I found myself getting head and I assume I'm about to f*ck her. All of a sudden she starts pulling some **** like she's an actress. She's undressed, and I'm about to do the deed and she starts teasing me; not saying no, or stop, or anything like that, just looking at me, smiling, and shying away. At first I think its just a normal tease, some girls think they are cute when they do that. I figure I just need to warm up the oven a little bit first, but thirty minutes later she's pulling the same ****. I got the impression that she wanted me to ask for it, or beg, or something. I'm not about to beg some girl to have sex with me, so we don't screw. Later she tells me she wants(ed?) it but she wants to try and see how long within a [pre-game] she can make out / give head, etc... without having sex.

Is this because she's young? What do I do? I don't mind waiting until date two, its just that the behavior was not intuitive. Any advice would be appreciated.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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The_Game

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Steve Olieve said:
Hey, I've been looking at this site and the discussion forums for quite some time now, but this is my first post.


I'm 18 and I'm a college kid. I've been hooking up with three different girls the past couple weeks and I've been trying to tie them all down so that I always have at least these three girls to hit -- you know, for the winter time. Two I got under control but the third one is weird.

The girl I'm having problems with I met a couple days ago. Her name is Anastasia and we were back at my place, about to get down; I got a good read on the attraction level, kino was great, and suddenly I found myself getting head and I assume I'm about to f*ck her. All of a sudden she starts pulling some **** like she's an actress. She's undressed, and I'm about to do the deed and she starts teasing me; not saying no, or stop, or anything like that, just looking at me, smiling, and shying away. At first I think its just a normal tease, some girls think they are cute when they do that. I figure I just need to warm up the oven a little bit first, but thirty minutes later she's pulling the same ****. I got the impression that she wanted me to ask for it, or beg, or something. I'm not about to beg some girl to have sex with me, so we don't screw. Later she tells me she wants(ed?) it but she wants to try and see how long within a [pre-game] she can make out / give head, etc... without having sex.

Is this because she's young? What do I do? I don't mind waiting until date two, its just that the behavior was not intuitive. Any advice would be appreciated.


Maybe she's just sick and tired of being left outside alone, when it's cold out there.
 

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Steve sometimes you just gotta go for it, when she stopped doing her thing, thats when you gotta start doing your thing.
 

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Meh, trying what some of these guys have proposed could get a rape charge thrown your way.

No offense bros but thats how it reads to me.

In anycase though if she keeps up this teasing/cold fish act just throw her and all girls who try to blue ball you like this to the curb after the first or third time they do it ala three strikes and your out rule.

It makes them better women for the next man or even you somewhere down the line as they know you will not put up with sh!t by playing their stupid little games.

Guys that are naturals at this DJ game don't tolerate this sh!t for one minute.

A girl tries this they look at that girl like she's a fvckin weirdo and they are out the door before she can apologize.

Only guys that are not naturals, that come from an AFC background who are trying to change it obsess over this sh!t and wonder what she could be doing or trying and try to figure it out.

Naturals don't do that.

They assess the situation and see they are not getting what they want and so they leave the girl.

No negotiating, no bullsh!t mental hassles, they are gone off looking for a girl ready to really get down and not play stupid head trip games like this.

We can all learn a lesson from the naturals when it comes to this.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Good point Kontroller.

You don't have to be a 'natural' to have self-respect. Don't let anybody waste your time. Life is too short to be spent playing head games and dealing with **** tests.

Try going cold-fish on her and see if she comes around.
 

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This is an awesome tip. Good thing its in the tips section, and not in the main discussion.
 
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