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She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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DJBilly

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Need LJBF Help

Background: I met this girl at homecoming and found out she is an exchange student from Norway(Hottie) I knew the moment that I initially talked to her I wanted to get to know her more, and possibly form a relationship with her. I slowly eased my way into her vision and started to talk to her/txt her/ and walk with her in the hallway at school. I really felt something there, but did not know what she felt at all. One time when we hung out, I made the move of cuddling with her and going for a kiss, i got a positive return of her kissing back but it followed with a " Oh god i can't believe i am doing this". What she said stuck with me for awhile, as our relationship progressed and as we got to know each other and get closer I asked her out. This is the area where the road got rough and now that I look back i know my mistakes. We were in the phase of dating/getting to know each other more intimately, I made the mistake of saying I liked her, and I made the mistake of taking about how she feels about other guys and how she feels about me. I brought the conversation to her, not her to me. Fortunately our relationship and bond ship stuck together, but with a twist, she began to open up to me and told me that before she came to the United States(for only a year) she had a boyfriend that she broke up with because she left, this obviously was frustrating for me and I felt bad because she still had some feelings for him. I told her that she should give me a shot in a relationship and see how we would work out, she kind of agreed with what I said with the fact of me talking to her a lot and telling her that I was there for her. Our relationship got some what closer intimately and we could easily laugh together, her host parents really like me, and she said that she had some feelings for me. We hung out and I became closer to her. She began to tell me how she felt like she was living two different lives, she had her life back home in Norway, and a completely different culture, social life, family and set of friends here in the USA. I kept telling her that I was here for her and that I will talk to her any time(EMOTIONAL TAMPON MOMENT:( ) We hung out three days ago during the weekend and watched a scary movie together, she was clinging to me during the scary moments and I felt that I was the one protecting her. Before I left to go home randomly out of no where she told me that she needed to talk, she continued with telling me for the past week that she wanted to LJBF, i was completely bummed and hated myself thinking I had done something wrong. She told me that it was not my fault, and that several things were going on in her life with, living two lives, having some feelings for her ex, and being caught up in many things. The next day I was alright, I usually do not have trouble getting over girls, but I felt this girl was special and very attractive. I talked to her on the phone about the situation and told her I really disliked the situation, and she told me that we just need to see how we are as friends, I told her that I will all ways be her friend, even though I want to be more. I asked her if there is a possibility of being more then friends ever again and we both agreed that time could only tell right now, but not to get my hopes up(Basically saying NO!! in a nice way). Recently she told me her ex is going to move to another city in Norway and he told her that if she has any other guys or wants to move on she should, she said that she feels he is still kind of her guy, and that she still has feelings for him. I am not in a F****d situation, i want to be more then friends with this girl, and want to know what i need to do to make that possible, right now I am trying to ignore her slightly, it is very hard to accomplish that when i share a class with her, and see her in the halls. For example, i was walking with her in the hallway, but i wasn't acting my I like you self to her, and she kept asking are you okay?, Is something wrong? I know this may be a good sign, but I am not going to rush back to her, I want her crawling to me. I hope i can take this LJBF situation and turn it completely around to be better then what we used to have as a relationship.

Main Questions:

2)What do I do about this girl, do i continue my plan, add something to the plan, or do i just forget about her?
3)How can I change myself, to begin my path towards PUA or DJ.

Update: what should i say when she asks me "what is wrong?" or something of that sort, do I leave her in the dark completely by avoiding all the time or do I talk to her sometimes, if so what do I talk to her about. Also when is the right time to reconvey my feelings to her or take a sexual approach.
 
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DJBilly said:
Before I left to go home randomly out of no where she told me that she needed to talk, she continued with telling me for the past week that she wanted to LJBF, i was completely bummed and hated myself thinking I had done something wrong. She told me that it was not my fault, and that several things were going on in her life with, living two lives, having some feelings for her ex, and being caught up in many things. The next day I was alright, I usually do not have trouble getting over girls, but I felt this girl was special and very attractive. I talked to her on the phone about the situation and told her I really disliked the situation, and she told me that we just need to see how we are as friends, I told her that I will all ways be her friend, even though I want to be more. I asked her if there is a possibility of being more then friends ever again and we both agreed that time could only tell right now, but not to get my hopes up(Basically saying NO!! in a nice way). .
End this situaton now as it will not get better and you will only continue to hate yourself more because of no fault of your own. Why do you want to be friends forever with someone who won't meet your needs? What will happen to you if she starts having sex with someone here in the U.S.? If you continue this pattern in your life you will become like a battered woman who keeps going back to your abuser. This woman is making you hate yourself and you're going back for more.
 

jophil28

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DJBilly said:
Recently she told me her ex is going to move to another city in Norway and he told her that if she has any other guys or wants to move on she should, she said that she feels he is still kind of her guy, and that she still has feelings for him.
^^ Do you understand what actually took place here ?

No? Here is what happened...

She was willing to flirt with you UNTIL her ex told her that he was moving to another city and told her that she was free to date other guys.That statement triggered renewed attraction for him in her because she felt him pulling away and tossing her away in one movement. He is moving on to another city ( which gives him the opportunity to date a whole lot of new women) Her competition anxiety was also amped up . Keeping him is now her focus.
You, on the other hand are "in the bag" , BUT she also knew that you would eventually want to fukk her. That would be too risky and too guilt promoting, so she stuck you in that harmless place called the FriendZone.
That way she can still exploit you "as a friend" without the drama of having you as a rival
for her B/F.
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The womanspeek translation of, "..he is still kind of her guy .." is this " ..I am still kind of his girl.."

Dude, you were valuable to her in several ways . She is a foreign student in a strange land and you acted in the role of entertainer, substitute B/f, hang out friend, local tour guide and so on..
This is one woman who will NEVER reverse her decision to LJBF you as long as her EX is still on her mind. IF you continue to be her "friend" on her terms, you will wind up with a mountain of resentment, and the bluest balls.

Save what remains of your dignity and stop explaining to her why you are unhappy with the LJBF deal. SHe is not interested in your feelings. Better still stop talking to her at all.

Toss her back.
 

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I agree with what you guys said, and I can tell she still feels for him. Thank you for the insight about her wanting more even tho she said it made her feel better about a possible relationship. I am freezing her out now, with the occasional hi if she says anything because I don't want to be a complete as*. I am sticking with I don't give a **** about her attitude. I acctually have another girl lined up, hopefully I am succesful. I picked her using some DJ tips, I did notice my mistakes which will thin out with practice. Thank you guys again.
 

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Hey my man..this scenario was similar to mine....i had a girl from class but she wasnt foreign exchange...she was just a transfer from another college like me....and i ended up playing the role of "Entertainer" i.e "F*ck Buddy...after class was over she was living another life doing other things (i wont speak on them) but basically she wasnt the girl i hooked up with and wanted more from..

so from my experience and you going down an extremely SIMILAR PATH

HEED MY WARNING....STOP THINKING ABOUT HER...DONT SAY HI UNLESS SHE SAYS HI BACK....AND DONT EVER GET BACK WITH HER...NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WANT TOO...

just move on my man....i promise you....its gonna save you a lot of mental stress that you could be using to find a HOTTER SMARTER COOLER chick who's into you...and the truth is...YOU WILL!!

thats if you havent found her alread ;-)
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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If she says hi to me or what's up, what should I respond with? Keep in mind I don't want her to get the idea that she is alpha or I am her Kleenex box for emotional moments.
 

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DJBilly said:
If she says hi to me or what's up, what should I respond with? Keep in mind I don't want her to get the idea that she is alpha or I am her Kleenex box for emotional moments.
AS difficult as this is, you need to come to accept that she is still emotionally attached to her ex B/f, her actions say so. THis one just did not work out for you.
When a woman puts you in the FZ she is saying to you that she has no emotional, romantic or sexual feelings (of any significance) towards you, BUT she likes having you around for her CONVENIENCE, but there is little reward for you.

THis is an unacceptable deal(or it should be ) for a man, but probably not so bad for a douche. You need to make a conscious decison - which am I ?

IF you decide that you are a man, then your path is clear. You act cool but polite toward her. You may like to exchange brief greetings occasionally but you always walk away first.
Be smart enough to respect your own value and stop giving your thoughts and hopes to a woman who is not doing the same to you.
 

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Even tho it ****ing sucks because she is a HB9, I just have to be a douche and make her realize that I don't care for her b.s.(her ex) I am only 17 so I have many years to practice and make my game better so a situation like this doesn't happen. Thank you for your input jophil.
 
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