"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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im a little confused with the listening to a girl part...i know to ask open ended questions, focus the convo on her, and DONT try to be her therapist

my question is what to do when you talk to girls who are a little depressed, insecure, or complain...right now weather is constantly raining and cold and wet where i live...so i guess thats a influence.

i didnt try to cheer them up, i just sympathized, but the conversations get nowhere...

any ideas?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Xtravaganza

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You can have a convo with a girl for hours, but if you don't make it sexual, you ain't getting nowhere.

We also need to talk about C&F....

... damn! I don't feel like talking about it right now, but you can do a search, I"m sure you'll find thousands of threads. But there's only one point that i really need to emphasize:

"C&F by itself won't get you laid, it's just a means to keep the convo sexual without becoming akward."

About the depressed, insecure girls that b itch about just anything... why would you want anything with them? Just call up on them when they b itch (wow, you sure like to b itch honey). And if they don't stop just say next.
 

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Take her out into the rain. Go to the park and play tag. Rain is not depressing if you know how to use it and girls like to play in the rain and get muddy too, trust me.
 

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I would let her talk for a few minutes. Then maybe move the conversation into a lighter more fun direction. Do any activity where she must concentrate so that she can't dwell on her issues. Take her to the arcade, ice skating, anything where she can be competitive and get a feeling of accomplishment. Let her know that you care that she's upset but don't let her just sit there and whine. Help her enjoy the day. That way she sees her time with you as positive instead of just another part of a negative day.
 

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my question is what to do when you talk to girls who are a little depressed, insecure, or complain
These are the women you should be staying away from. They are the ones who are loaded with emotional baggage and will drag you down with them. Look for women who are more upbeat, fun, and positive, and you'll have a much easier time with them.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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SamePendo

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It'd make sense to stop the talking, and go on action dates.

But, on experience, it won't work, or it will only to a certain extent. Probably because I don't have the patience to work some maneuvers on her. Just next her.
 
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