"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Mike32ct

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There are different schools of thought here at SS. That's probably the source of the conflict.

1. Approach as many girls and/or sets as possible.

2. Look for eye contact first, so you minimize the number of approaches you have to do in order to close.

3. Build an attractive lifestyle and let women come to you through your daily life and your social circle.


It sounds like El Stud likes #1.

I like #2 myself, but to each their own.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Mike32ct said:
There are different schools of thought here at SS. That's probably the source of the conflict.

1. Approach as many girls and/or sets as possible.

2. Look for eye contact first, so you minimize the number of approaches you have to do in order to close.

3. Build an attractive lifestyle and let women come to you through your daily life and your social circle.


It sounds like El Stud likes #1.

I like #2 myself, but to each their own.
I like 2 and 3 myself.
 

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Mike32ct said:
There are different schools of thought here at SS. That's probably the source of the conflict.

1. Approach as many girls and/or sets as possible.

2. Look for eye contact first, so you minimize the number of approaches you have to do in order to close.

3. Build an attractive lifestyle and let women come to you through your daily life and your social circle.


It sounds like El Stud likes #1.

I like #2 myself, but to each their own.
Approach #1 seems mainly to be preached by the PUA crowd who seem to think this is just another PUA forum. I think the real message behind this forum is closer to approach #3.

Approach #2 is just common sense, really.
 

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Smack said:
Approach #1 seems mainly to be preached by the PUA crowd who seem to think this is just another PUA forum. I think the real message behind this forum is closer to approach #3.

Approach #2 is just common sense, really.
PUAs are all about #3. PUA <> TV Show crap.

#3 is the most powerful way to play the game.
 

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I think approaching as many women as possible is good as an exercise (I'm going to do it this spring), but not as a general lifestyle. Although I guess the point is that after doing all that approaching, if you see a girl in day-to-day life that you want to approach, you can do it with no hesitation.

But #3 seems like the best way to be.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Elstud Bro, the real problem is that you don't have any frame control.

Dude, you've even got an entire internet forum to hate on you, and man, if you can't get respect over the internet then how are you going to get it in real life.

You can do a million approaches but as soon as a woman tests you with a neg over her own, or a denial, you go all crazy ass and sensitive.

I bet all your friends have picked up on this as well, a man that can't hold his frame and who fights, whines and complains like you are doing here is a man that gets treated poorly.

You're probably overanalyzing because you seek validation of your proposed worth, bro, you need to stop that because it will hurt your game, you want other people to acknowledge your worth when you won't even accept it in yourself man.

All this picking fights is strictly beta behaviour, same for all the people that have come here to hate, if the brother won't accept the reality in your words then its time to realise that he's not worth the effort, not sink more of your spare time into trying to break an already broken man.
 

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I'd love for him to get on video/audio a few of his approaches.
 

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#3 is NOT the most powerful. It's the flashiest and "coolest," and therefore good for TV. Many of the guys in the PUA community are looking for more than women. They want the VALIDATION more than they want the sex. Therefore that route is perfect for them. Kinda ironic how we break down female behavior to a science, then turn out to act just like them :D

I'm not saying that everyone who chooses this path is a validation whore (though I'm willing to bet a good portion of them are), but I know first hand that forming huge social circles is hardly necessary if you're just looking to meet women. So why bother?
 

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Darth said:
But #3 seems like the best way to be.
It's the best IMO. I can concentrate on being the best I can be and the rest just happens. No flailing around wasting time on endless 'sets'.
 

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dbot said:
#3 is NOT the most powerful. It's the flashiest and "coolest," and therefore good for TV. Many of the guys in the PUA community are looking for more than women. They want the VALIDATION more than they want the sex. Therefore that route is perfect for them. Kinda ironic how we break down female behavior to a science, then turn out to act just like them :D

I'm not saying that everyone who chooses this path is a validation whore (though I'm willing to bet a good portion of them are), but I know first hand that forming huge social circles is hardly necessary if you're just looking to meet women. So why bother?
You have to draw the line where you feel your circle is big enough for yourself.

AFC Adam has videos of him rolling with 200 women. Now that's just crazy. But its cool.

For me, 5 close guy friends (with some game, some job, some looks), 10-15 close female friends (who like to party with me).
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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