"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Like 2 girls at present,1 or both!

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Was at the gym a yesterday.I nodded my head at a fine piece of ass from a tryhard meathead's girlfriend.She gave me a smile then looked down as I whet to the dressing room.She was alone this time(The boyfriend seems to be around most of the time!)I have seen her 3 or 4 times with good eye contact.

At the coffee shop I work at, there is a girl who comes in from a nearby tanning shop.I have seen her twice now.This time i made her aware that I saw her today while I was walking past her shop.I went along with my duties as usual.Saw her turn her head my way to see if I was paying attention.
I said bye and hope to see you soon.She had a little grin on her face after that.

One or both ?:rockon:
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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This might come as a surprise, but a lot of women smile, make eye contact, and do small talk because they're friendly, polite, and confident. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're interested in you.

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Meh, whatever. Might as well persue both and find out which one you like better.
 

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BOTH. Well to be completely honest that reply does not even matter. Rejection is only a building block to the man you want to become anyways. If she had like a sly smile your good. Chicks get crushes and then visit those areas and stuff like that. If a chick likes you and is scared to approach you (which is like 99% of the time) she will just try to be around you and hope you will talk to her. You may as well go for both since you set yourself up for oneitis if you go for one.
 

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IamtheAlphamale said:
BOTH. Well to be completely honest that reply does not even matter. Rejection is only a building block to the man you want to become anyways. If she had like a sly smile your good. Chicks get crushes and then visit those areas and stuff like that. If a chick likes you and is scared to approach you (which is like 99% of the time) she will just try to be around you and hope you will talk to her. You may as well go for both since you set yourself up for oneitis if you go for one.
Update for the girl at the tanning shop!

1. Last Good Friday, she walked past the shop and looked in and saw me.Held eye contact a few seconds.

2. yesterday I was walking to the internet cafe from work to run a quick message to someone.Saw her outside the mall smoking!
I made a casual comment 'I didn't know you smoked' she laughted!
(had no time to stop and talk)

3. Today she walked past the shop and looked in, plus held eye contact.

She does not smile though.Is there a LOI ?
 

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johncrawford said:
Update for the girl at the tanning shop!

1. Last Good Friday, she walked past the shop and looked in and saw me.Held eye contact a few seconds.

2. yesterday I was walking to the internet cafe from work to run a quick message to someone.Saw her outside the mall smoking!
I made a casual comment 'I didn't know you smoked' she laughted!
(had no time to stop and talk)

3. Today she walked past the shop and looked in, plus held eye contact.

She does not smile though.Is there a LOI ?
I was at work today and saw the tanning girl sitting outside with a child!
I looked at her first and thought is that her? so did she.This happened a few times until she smiled and waved:)
So I went out to see her and said "I didn't know you had a child?"
Oh it's not mine she said:yes:
I said are you still working at the tanning shop?
she said no.So I found out her name was Megan.
Then just asked'are you single by the way?'
YES she said:cheer:
Got her number and will call tomorrow.:rockon:
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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How can you choose either without trying them both? :confused:
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
How can you choose either without trying them both? :confused:
Just got the tanning girls number.To much hassle with the the gym girl.:cool:
 

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Just got the tanning girls number.To much hassle with the the gym girl.:cool:
you've gotta start spinning more plates, john brother...
 

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Poonani Maker said:
you've gotta start spinning more plates, john brother...
Her boyfriend is always hanging around:moon:

I know she watchs me,even more so since i've uped the weights at the gym.

What's the best way to go about her then?
 

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johncrawford said:
Her boyfriend is always hanging around:moon:

I know she watchs me,even more so since i've uped the weights at the gym.

What's the best way to go about her then?
Don't worry about her. Go find another. And another. And another.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Poonani Maker said:
Don't worry about her. Go find another. And another. And another.
Just got a text from the tanning girl saying"that it would be really nice to go out next weekend if I am free?x
 

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johncrawford said:
Just got a text from the tanning girl saying"that it would be really nice to go out next weekend if I am free?x
Ask her where she'd take you. ;)
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Ask her where she'd take you. ;)
She goes to college.So not the ritz:) Don't know her age,but young!

I'm 28 and only seem to attract 18-24!!:rock:
 

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She goes to college.So not the ritz:) Don't know her age,but young!

I'm 28 and only seem to attract 18-24!!:rock:
So??!! She can still pick you up on her Schwinn and ride you on the handlebars...
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
So??!! She can still pick you up on her Schwinn and ride you on the handlebars...
Had a dry spell the last 2 months.So that would be cool:up:
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Had a dry spell the last 2 months.So that would be cool:up:
None the less, help her feel good about herself by allowing her to do something for you. Even if it's a $1 movie at a second run theater. We all know that the good woman of character out there enjoy doing things for a guy, here's a good qualifier to determine if she may be one of those women. When it comes down to it, it is the thought that counts.
 

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johncrawford said:
Her boyfriend is always hanging around:moon:

I know she watchs me,even more so since i've uped the weights at the gym.

What's the best way to go about her then?
hmm... that's a tough one, wait, I know... since you don't have the balls to speak to her, bring the tanning girl. She has enough balls for you both.

PS... better to have tried and failed than to never play the game.
 

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Crank_It_Up said:
hmm... that's a tough one, wait, I know... since you don't have the balls to speak to her, bring the tanning girl. She has enough balls for you both.

PS... better to have tried and failed than to never play the game.
It's not that I don't have the balld bud:rolleyes:

Just there's other options without hassle.

I go to the gym 4 times a week.See her maybe twice in that week.There are other hotter girls, so why fret it!:up:
 

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johncrawford said:
It's not that I don't have the balld bud:rolleyes:

Just there's other options without hassle.

I go to the gym 4 times a week.See her maybe twice in that week.There are other hotter girls, so why fret it!:up:
right, you have balls, and you're not fretting about it, you're just bringing it up on the forum cause aliens have taken over your mind right?

johncrawford said:
...She gave me a smile then looked down as I whet to the dressing room.She was alone this time(The boyfriend seems to be around most of the time!)I have seen her 3 or 4 times with good eye contact...
hmm.... her boyfriend was not around and all you did was make eye contact, wow, you have balls :rolleyes: What's next? Pass her a note at the water fountain?
 

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right, you have balls, and you're not fretting about it, you're just bringing it up on the forum cause aliens have taken over your mind right?

hmm.... her boyfriend was not around and all you did was make eye contact, wow, you have balls :rolleyes: What's next? Pass her a note at the water fountain?
I hear what you mean Bud.I must have lost interest to be honest:crackup:
At my last gym I cracked on to another girl with a boyfriend.At the end it was a waste of time.:(

As I said there's other single girls at the gym.Why bother about this one?:wave:
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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