"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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letting her ask you out

pyros

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From your pesonal experience, when does a girl usually start asking you out instead of you always initiating the dates?

after 2,3,...5 dates? never?

I've been on three dates with this chick and it would be nice if she asked me out for once. lol.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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welcome to the responsibilities of being a man, lol...

I suppose some might do that, but most of the time women are going to let you make the plans because you are being judged on what you come up with and how you do it. She can't judge you if she does the work, right?
 

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yes but I get bored if it is always me the one to initiate texts and dates, because it makes you look like you're the only one interested.
Some of the girls I met asked me to hang out after we went on a few dates (3,4...) and everything was going fine, however I met a few that did not initiate it ever and we stopped hanging out sooner than with the ones that planned dates and suggested dates ideas.

In my opinion, if they're not suggesting dates etc after a you've made out a few times etc, they're very little interested, if any.

I wanted to know your experiences guys in this matter.
 

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pyros said:
In my opinion, if they're not suggesting dates etc after a you've made out a few times etc, they're very little interested, if any.
You nailed it.

I have lots of experience with this. I've asked questions on this forum about this a lot in the past. There is certainly a school of thought that says it's the man's job to initiate and as long as she's saying yes to your dates and banging you, what are you complaining about?

To me, it's all about getting the relationship you want. It is my preference, as it appears to be yours, pyros, that after 3-5 dates I like to see the girl making a bit of effort. If it's a situation where we'll never see each other unless I suggest something, then I know it's low interest.

pyros, these can be the most confusing of situations - especially if you are still gaining experience and building confidence. They're always responding enthusiastically to your dates, you guys have a blast when together, but she's a ghost otherwise. Don't let all those positives overshadow that nagging negative: you are not getting the level of participation you want. Whether it's low interest (most likely) or just some type of personality who doesn't believe a woman should ever initiate plans (highly unlikely), either way this girl is not a good match for you. She's not what you're looking for - you want a girl who's so crazy about you that she's going to try to make plans with you.

Don't text/call her. The next date between you two only happens if she proposes it. If she texts you but still doesn't suggest plans, just run your normal text game (as in, take your time and don't turn it into a conversation. 1-2 replies max). She doesn't get to see you unless she initiates. And if she doesn't, low interest is confirmed and you can officially disqualify her.
 

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For me, it tends to happen very early on. The reason? During the first date when they inevitably ask me what kind of woman I'm looking to date, I mention that even though I'm the man and would be asking her out on most dates, I like a woman who can plan something out every once in a while for us to do. The way I phrase it is: "I'm great at planning stuff, but I don't know everything, and figure the other person has some ideas of date things to do that I wouldn't even have thought of." It's my way of letting them know they need to plan a date every so often. Beyond that, usually after physical contact of some kind has been made (kisssing, sex, or something in between), they should have enough tinglies to want to plan stuff, a house date at the very least (if they're trying to get physical). I'd say if she hasn't planned something by the 10th date you would need to bring it up.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Harry Wilmington said:
The way I phrase it is: "I'm great at planning stuff, but I don't know everything, and figure the other person has some ideas of date things to do that I wouldn't even have thought of."
Hey Harry. Funny, I kind of say something similar. (Although I can't say I've ever been specifically asked what kind of girl I want to date).

I tell them, "I am always open for doing stuff. I like going out, I like having fun, but I also get busy or caught up in my work or other things and sometimes don't think to make those plans. That's why I like a girl who can come up with ideas for what to do, maybe even a girl more social than me, because left to my own devices I might not get out as much as I'd like to."
 

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Harry Wilmington said:
For me, it tends to happen very early on. The reason? During the first date when they inevitably ask me what kind of woman I'm looking to date, I mention that even though I'm the man and would be asking her out on most dates, I like a woman who can plan something out every once in a while for us to do. The way I phrase it is: "I'm great at planning stuff, but I don't know everything, and figure the other person has some ideas of date things to do that I wouldn't even have thought of." It's my way of letting them know they need to plan a date every so often. Beyond that, usually after physical contact of some kind has been made (kisssing, sex, or something in between), they should have enough tinglies to want to plan stuff, a house date at the very least (if they're trying to get physical). I'd say if she hasn't planned something by the 10th date you would need to bring it up.
Ya I would definetly get frustrated and tired having to lead and initiate literally every step of the way because I want a partner not a poodle
 
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