Less Loyal: Women or Employers?

[SW15]

In the current era, are women less loyal to men than employers are to employees?

I think the employer-employee relationship (in the at-will employment environment of the USA) is more toxic and contains less loyalty than male-female relationships.

While intersexual dynamics in the USA and other Western nations are bad, the employer-employee relationship is more toxic.

In at-will employment, employers often end working relationships for the flimsiest of reasons. The kinds of employers that do this are generally more toxic than dark triad females.

In most longer term relationships, women will give more feedback than most employers. Women are likely more communicative than most employers. Divorce papers are usually less of a surprise than layoffs/terminations.

Both women and employers are well known for ghosting after a first interaction.

In an environment with zero employer loyalty, the employer-employee is antagonistic. Employers have ruined the workspace. Since employers can drop employees at any moment for no reason, it has always been my attitude that I'm always going to look out for me and do what's best for me.

I have regularly changed jobs. In some instances, I have been laid off/terminated. In other instances, I resigned for a better opportunity.

When I compare intersexual dynamics in the USA to corporate employment in the USA, there are a number of similarities.

I think this could be an interesting debate topic.

 

[GoodMan32]

It will vary from man to man.

In my case, it's a no-brainer: Employers are way more loyal toward me than the opposite sex is.

Perhaps this is because autism can make you a superb employee (under the right circumstances), yet autism makes you (in many cases at least) a terrible partner.

I've never been fired or laid off. There have been a few different jobs where I stayed for years at a time (including my current job, which I've been at for 6 years and counting)

On the other hand, in a dating/casual romp context, the opposite sex tends to be extremely quick to "fire" me (so to speak), for the flimsiest of reasons.

It's interesting how my experience appears to be the total opposite of most men on here.

 

[BadBoy89]

I think the employer-employee relationship (in the at-will employment environment of the USA) is more toxic and contains less loyalty than male-female relationships.

While intersexual dynamics in the USA and other Western nations are bad, the employer-employee relationship is more toxic.

Bro your posts are always filled with factual info.

This one, I don't agree. Employer Employee relationship are not nearly as toxic as romantic relationships between men and women.

Basically, all an employer wants a employee t do is do his job, make him (more) money, and not cause issues. If he does that, the employer has no issue. After a while though, say 2-3 years, unless he's promoted big time and get more money, the employee gets a little tired of the work and starts to get a little lazy, not do good work, get a little sloppy, etc. If the employee calls him out on it and it doesn't change, then it become a little toxic. But even then, its not easy to replace employees; you have to interview them, like them, hire them, train them, its a whole process.

In romantic relationships, a woman will use every hour of every day to try to find a weakness in her man so she can exploit for her future benefit. In romantic relationships, a woman's friends will train her on what to do to destroy the man financially and socially and mentally. In romantic relationships, a woman will punish a man's loyalty. In romantic relationships, my family and friends have been involved lawsuits, forgery, addiction and suicides, to name a few.

Romantic relationships with women are alot harder and women much less loyal.

 

[corrector]

You can sue an employer for wrongful dismissal but you can't sue a woman for leaving you.

 

[Oatmeal31]

In the current era, are women less loyal to men than employers are to employees?

I think the employer-employee relationship (in the at-will employment environment of the USA) is more toxic and contains less loyalty than male-female relationships.

While intersexual dynamics in the USA and other Western nations are bad, the employer-employee relationship is more toxic.

In at-will employment, employers often end working relationships for the flimsiest of reasons. The kinds of employers that do this are generally more toxic than dark triad females.

In most longer term relationships, women will give more feedback than most employers. Women are likely more communicative than most employers. Divorce papers are usually less of a surprise than layoffs/terminations.

Both women and employers are well known for ghosting after a first interaction.

In an environment with zero employer loyalty, the employer-employee is antagonistic. Employers have ruined the workspace. Since employers can drop employees at any moment for no reason, it has always been my attitude that I'm always going to look out for me and do what's best for me.

I have regularly changed jobs. In some instances, I have been laid off/terminated. In other instances, I resigned for a better opportunity.

When I compare intersexual dynamics in the USA to corporate employment in the USA, there are a number of similarities.

I think this could be an interesting debate topic.

Employers don't care about you. You are utterly disposable to them unless you have a certain skillset, but if the opportunity arose , you'd be cut at the drop of a hat if a better option came along, if they were able to without any consequence. Companies see people as numbers, not human beings with feelings and lives.

Even the hiring process is cutthroat, and HR often has absolute zero regard for the kind of effect ghosting or rejection will have on a candidate. Dating can be brutal and there are plenty of cruel people in the scene. It's highly similar in ways but industrialization is the epitome of treating humans like cattle

I got hired as a server at a restaurant at the beginning of the year, and not even a month later, they laid off 95% of the staff just because business was slow. Almost like they couldn't anticipate that given that they just opened and it was ****ing winter. Of course it'll be slow.
We were all left without jobs, with no assistance whatsoever. They assured us that they'd call back when business would pick back up. Blatant lies, never happened.

Had to resort to dropping off resumes in freezing weather and applying to hundreds of jobs online. Interview after interview, I performed well and just got ghosted again and again. Lies, so many lies. I have 2 part time jobs now that I enjoy, but I had to deal with the inhumanity of people who take life for granted and treat others like they're beneath them for longer than I'd like.

 

[BaronOfHair]

In the current era, are women less loyal to men than employers are to employees?

The probabilities of both remaining loyal increase, if you're making their lives easier more often than you are creating complications. Ultimately, there are no guarantees, and everything comes to an end, careers and romances included

Just as most modern employees are going to have at least a dozen different jobs throughout the course of their lives, most folks will have at least a few different mates over a lifetime. The days of marrying your high school sweetheart the day after graduation, getting a gig at the steel mill a week later, then remaining there for two decades straight and pulling retirement have long since gone the way of The World Basketball League and The CW being culturally relevant

 

[GoodMan32]

You can sue an employer for wrongful dismissal but you can't sue a woman for leaving you.

Yeah. Plus, you generally get a lot more sympathy from others if you get fired vs if you get dumped.

Employers don't care about you. You are utterly disposable to them unless you have a certain skillset, but if the opportunity arose , you'd be cut at the drop of a hat if a better option came along, if they were able to without any consequence. Companies see people as numbers, not human beings with feelings and lives.



Even the hiring process is cutthroat, and HR often has absolute zero regard for the kind of effect ghosting or rejection will have on a candidate. Dating can be brutal and there are plenty of cruel people in the scene. It's highly similar in ways but industrialization is the epitome of treating humans like cattle



I got hired as a server at a restaurant at the beginning of the year, and not even a month later, they laid off 95% of the staff just because business was slow. Almost like they couldn't anticipate that given that they just opened and it was ****ing winter. Of course it'll be slow.

We were all left without jobs, with no assistance whatsoever. They assured us that they'd call back when business would pick back up. Blatant lies, never happened.



Had to resort to dropping off resumes in freezing weather and applying to hundreds of jobs online. Interview after interview, I performed well and just got ghosted again and again. Lies, so many lies. I have 2 part time jobs now that I enjoy, but I had to deal with the inhumanity of people who take life for granted and treat others like they're beneath them for longer than I'd like.

It's interesting how lots of other men on here have experienced employers treating him as disposable, yet I haven't. And on the flipside, it appears the opposite sex has treated me as way more disposable than they've treated a lot of other men on here.

 

[SW15]

Bro your posts are always filled with factual info.

Facts over feelings

This one, I don't agree. Employer Employee relationship are not nearly as toxic as romantic relationships between men and women.

This is good. It's meant to generate disagreement.

all an employer wants a employee t do is do his job, make him (more) money, and not cause issues. If he does that, the employer has no issue.

This is more likely to be true in more stable economic periods. In economic downturns (even the slightest ones), plenty of these people get laid off.

There are companies that lay off in average to good economic periods due to the incompetence of their own upper management.

Employers don't care about you. You are utterly disposable to them unless you have a certain skillset, but if the opportunity arose , you'd be cut at the drop of a hat if a better option came along, if they were able to without any consequence. Companies see people as numbers, not human beings with feelings and lives.

This is true. Many of the worst girlfriends and wives aren't this bad. I have been laid off with zero notice over performance and without issue with my performance. Most girlfriends and wives will give bad feedback prior to breakup or serving divorce papers.

At-will employment is a huge issue in the USA. Companies use it to terminate people all the time. There are often times where the employees don't see it coming at all. Sometimes it isn't predictable.

I think there's a valid point that girlfriends/wives care more about the humanity of the person than employers do. That's part of why I think employers are generally more toxic than women.

Even the hiring process is cutthroat, and HR often has absolute zero regard for the kind of effect ghosting or rejection will have on a candidate. Dating can be brutal and there are plenty of cruel people in the scene. It's highly similar in ways but industrialization is the epitome of treating humans like cattle

Women and employers are nearly equally bad in the early phases. Women met via app are the most cutthroat. HR reps from random application submissions are equally bad.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Anyone that says women must be really lucky or casually unemployed.

 

[MatureDJ]

It will vary from man to man.

In my case, it's a no-brainer: Employers are way more loyal toward me than the opposite sex is.

Perhaps this is because autism can make you a superb employee (under the right circumstances), yet autism makes you (in many cases at least) a terrible partner.

I've never been fired or laid off. There have been a few different jobs where I stayed for years at a time (including my current job, which I've been at for 6 years and counting)

On the other hand, in a dating/casual romp context, the opposite sex tends to be extremely quick to "fire" me (so to speak), for the flimsiest of reasons.

It's interesting how my experience appears to be the total opposite of most men on here.

I had always though that it's OVER for NonBillionaireAutCels (i.e., Elon Much is an Aut, but he's a billionaire).

 

[GoodMan32]

I had always though that it's OVER for NonBillionaireAutCels (i.e., Elon Much is an Aut, but he's a billionaire).

Unless you're a billionaire or a Chad (like @BeExcellent's husband), then yeah, being a male autist is basically cooch-repellent.

Another factor helping the forum member I mentioned's husband is the fact he makes 6 figures. Being a Chad in addition to making 6 figures can offset the autism factor to some degree.

In Elon's case, on the other hand, Elon is no Chad, therefore he needs to rely on his billions of dollars (a mere 6 figure income wouldn't be enough for Elon to get cooch)

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Depends on the women.

 

[BeExcellent]

Stop making your condition your excuse @GoodMan32. Elon Musk became a billionnaire despite his condition. My husband earns a good living and excels in his sport to an elite level despite his condition. The guitarist and leader of the band I sing for has a PhD in chemistry, works in the pharma industry, has a girlfriend, and is on the spectrum. He is a normal tier looks dude who is 50 something.

The cardiac surgeon whose wife I am acquainted with is an extremely successful surgeon and has been married to a fashion editor for almost 30 years. He is nice enough looking but isn't going to model anytime soon. He too is on the spectrum..

There are 4 examples, three I know personally and the 4th (Elon) friends of mine have actually met.

You continue to hide behind your diagnosis as your excuse of excuses. I don't buy it whatsoever because I know successful in life people on the spectrum personally.

You are working a sub par job, refuse to go to the gym or go out (per the simple assignment I gave you), and you seem to be afraid of women as well as your own shadow.

Stop the excuses & just do it instead of this mental masturbation on here. Seriously.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Stop making your condition your excuse @GoodMan32. Elon Musk became a billionnaire despite his condition. My husband earns a good living and excels in his sport to an elite level despite his condition. The guitarist and leader of the band I sing for has a PhD in chemistry, works in the pharma industry, has a girlfriend, and is on the spectrum. He is a normal tier looks dude who is 50 something.

The cardiac surgeon whose wife I am acquainted with is an extremely successful surgeon and has been married to a fashion editor for almost 30 years. He is nice enough looking but isn't going to model anytime soon. He too is on the spectrum..

There are 4 examples, three I know personally and the 4th (Elon) friends of mine have actually met.

You continue to hide behind your diagnosis as your excuse of excuses. I don't buy it whatsoever because I know successful in life people on the spectrum personally.

You are working a sub par job, refuse to go to the gym or go out (per the simple assignment I gave you), and you seem to be afraid of women as well as your own shadow.

Stop the excuses & just do it instead of this mental masturbation on here. Seriously.

This is the @GoodMan32 forum and we are just living in it.

 

[SW15]

My husband earns a good living

Plenty of men on the spectrum earn a good living with STEM jobs. The good income from STEM jobs doesn't always translate to short or long term sex in the conventional mating marketplace though.

Any of them could be laid off in an instant. Microsoft has had multiple rounds of mass layoffs. Meta and Google have had layoffs.

This is why I think employers are less loyal to employees than women are to men.

refuse to go to the gym

Looks are #1. I have been a regular gym and fitness class attendee for years. I've also played sports.

sub par job,

A subpar job doesn't make the panties wet.

Unemployment is a tough position for men. In the current economy, white collar workers have been more affected by layoffs than any other type of worker. A lot of white collar men have their SMV closely tied in with their income.

Money is a factor in attracting and retaining women, but it isn't the only factor.

Some guys are better at crafting a persona where money doesn't affect their SMV as much. A bouncer who rides a motorcycle attracts women. Many deadbeat men working laborer type jobs get laid more easily than a lot of white collar workers who lack charisma and good musculature.

Anyone that says women must be really lucky or casually unemployed.

I think you and I share the point of view (employers less loyal than women). Would you like to write a few more sentences on why you think this way? I would like to read it if you write it.

 

[corrector]

Stop making your condition your excuse @GoodMan32. Elon Musk became a billionnaire despite his condition. My husband earns a good living and excels in his sport to an elite level despite his condition. The guitarist and leader of the band I sing for has a PhD in chemistry, works in the pharma industry, has a girlfriend, and is on the spectrum. He is a normal tier looks dude who is 50 something.

The cardiac surgeon whose wife I am acquainted with is an extremely successful surgeon and has been married to a fashion editor for almost 30 years. He is nice enough looking but isn't going to model anytime soon. He too is on the spectrum..

There are 4 examples, three I know personally and the 4th (Elon) friends of mine have actually met.

You continue to hide behind your diagnosis as your excuse of excuses. I don't buy it whatsoever because I know successful in life people on the spectrum personally.

You are working a sub par job, refuse to go to the gym or go out (per the simple assignment I gave you), and you seem to be afraid of women as well as your own shadow.

Stop the excuses & just do it instead of this mental masturbation on here. Seriously.

He will have to quit the job to find the bandwith and time, if he can afford to do so.

 

[GoodMan32]

Stop making your condition your excuse @GoodMan32. Elon Musk became a billionnaire despite his condition. My husband earns a good living and excels in his sport to an elite level despite his condition. The guitarist and leader of the band I sing for has a PhD in chemistry, works in the pharma industry, has a girlfriend, and is on the spectrum. He is a normal tier looks dude who is 50 something.

The cardiac surgeon whose wife I am acquainted with is an extremely successful surgeon and has been married to a fashion editor for almost 30 years. He is nice enough looking but isn't going to model anytime soon. He too is on the spectrum..

There are 4 examples, three I know personally and the 4th (Elon) friends of mine have actually met.

You continue to hide behind your diagnosis as your excuse of excuses. I don't buy it whatsoever because I know successful in life people on the spectrum personally.

You are working a sub par job, refuse to go to the gym or go out (per the simple assignment I gave you), and you seem to be afraid of women as well as your own shadow.

Stop the excuses & just do it instead of this mental masturbation on here. Seriously.

As my counselor says "If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism" (In other words, every autist's case affects him or her differently. No two autists are the same)

I don't do well when there's too much stuff happening all at once, yet am excellent at hyper-focusing on one task. That's why I excel at entry level jobs (where I only have to worry about my own work), yet would be terrible at any sort of promotion (where I'd have a team I'd need to oversee). I say that as a dude who accepted a slight promotion with a past employer (in other words, I speak from experience regarding how terrible I am in promotions)

As for my autism impacting my relationships, that's another area where I speak from experience. I have a long track record of woman after woman losing interest in me extremely quickly. I'm well-aware of the fact some autists are able to maintain a relationship. I, unfortunately, appear to be incapable of maintaining a relationship. On the somewhat rare occasion a woman has wanted to stay with me, she's been so unbearable to be with I end up needing to break it off (whether it be dating or casual sex)

Believe me, I wish the paragraph I just typed didn't describe my history with the opposite sex. But it does.

I've made major strides in the past several months (attending organized singles events). The organized singles events have also had ripple effects where I've become more comfortable flirting with the opposite sex in general (even outside these events)

As a guy on another forum observed about me, when it comes to flirting, I appear to be good at opening as well as mid. I merely have a hard time with closing.

Edited to add

On the topic of accomplishing stuff in spite of my autism, I've managed to do all of the following:

-Earn a varsity letter in high school
-Get a college degree
-Move long distance (as in thousands of miles) to a place where I knew no one. More than once.
-Live by myself
-Travel solo to places I had never been before. For no reason other than because I wanted to.

Everything I just listed is stuff some autists would be incapable of doing. Yet I'm able to.

I never said my autism makes me incapable of functioning in all aspects of life. All I'm saying is it really appears to hold me back professionally as well as romantically/sexually.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I never said my autism makes me incapable of functioning in all aspects of life. All I'm saying is it really appears to hold me back professionally as well as romantically/sexually.

Like psychopathy, the diagnosis is of less importance than the way an individual approaches said diagnosis. The easily disheartened becomes a street thug, while the resourceful become Hannibal Lecter