Lack of success with women leads to nice guy attitude

[skinnyguy]

A lot of posts tell guys to not act like nice guys but you can't just flip a switch.

If a guy doesn't get laid for the first time until he's 25 he will be nice around women while the player will be a jerk because he's more confident. And I think we all agree that you can't fake confidence.

So what these "no more nice guy" posts fail to understand is that lack of success with women feeds on itself and a guy who isn't successful with women yet acts like a jerk will come off as a creep to women because he actually has no confidence.

Solution for nice guys who don't get laid: try to focus on ONE THING you do very well and show that off. If you have to act like a jerk to get a woman she is low quality. Don't focus on "I need to act less nice around women" because it is counterproductive to your game. Guys need to appreciate who they are not feel like they need to change their personality just to get puss.

 

[Serenity]

Nice guys are ignorant and hopeless, that's what defeats them, not their "niceness". The issue is that they think they're nice, but it's only in their minds, nobody else sees the same especially women.

It's true that for them it's counterproductive to "act less nice", it just serves to make them even creepier and in fact become the type of a$$hole certainly nobody wants anything to do with.

What they need to do is to wake the fvck up, work their minds and have a good hard look at what's around them. They need to reject their view of themselves, open their eyes to how others actually view them and from there work on their self-image.

Nice guys are in fact stuck up idiots who live in the delusion that they're "nice".

To get rid of the nice guy syndrome doesn't mean becoming an even greater idiot. It's simply to start being critical, to accept the fact that they've been wrong, to accept that there's another way and finally to start trying out those ways.

There's several types of nice guy, but what they all have in common is ignorance. The nice guy who isn't nice, the delusion that they're nice when they're not. The nice guy who gets (ab)used by women, the delusion that giving all they have will bring things in return. The nice guy who fears harming women, the delusion that women are pieces of invaluable porcelain that easily break. The nice guy who fears women, the delusion that women will harm him for trying anything.

So much ignorance, they're asleep in a dream, mostly one that's not very comfortable.

 

[Southbound29]

Being nice isn't a problem in itself. The problem stems from the fact that the nice guy act is just an act. It isn't the real them, even if they believe it is. People and especially women see through that $hit. I've seen nice guys with no back bone get walked all over.

I've seen a nice guy take control of a social group and put a loud alpha in his place. You can be nice but you can't have an agenda. On the other side of the coin you don't have to be nice but try not to be an a$shole. Guys tend to jump all the way to polar opposite when they take the red pill and it can get ugly.

 

[dustmuffin]

Read "No More Mr. Nice Guy" and "I feel Guilty when I say No". The key is not to be a supplicating doormat with women. Read up on covert contracts. Nice guys are king of theese. You can change it just takes effort, desire and time.

 

[Poonani Maker]

In the End we all must concede to the woman for the relationship to continue, because it's ALL about HER. Women are the selfish ones, not us guys. We sacrifice, they don't.

I suggest viewing this guys vids on the Female and Male relationship. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC424BtaOL-vlmUFIXEASwyQ

It's pretty much the Reality we men are facing. It's the nature of woman to be a Wh0re.

 

[Mike32ct]

A lot of posts tell guys to not act like nice guys but you can't just flip a switch.

If a guy doesn't get laid for the first time until he's 25 he will be nice around women while the player will be a jerk because he's more confident. And I think we all agree that you can't fake confidence.

Agreed.

So what these "no more nice guy" posts fail to understand is that lack of success with women feeds on itself and a guy who isn't successful with women yet acts like a jerk will come off as a creep to women because he actually has no confidence.

True, but I think it might be even deeper than that. I'll talk about this more below.

Solution for nice guys who don't get laid: try to focus on ONE THING you do very well and show that off.

No doubt.

If you have to act like a jerk to get a woman she is low quality. Don't focus on "I need to act less nice around women" because it is counterproductive to your game. Guys need to appreciate who they are not feel like they need to change their personality just to get puss.

Well said. This^^.

Great thread. Yes, a nice guy trying to act like a jerk is a recipe for disaster. I can't completely put my finger on "why," but it doesn't work. Here are some possible theories:

a) The nice guy may be carrying around a lot of bitterness towards women because of past rejections. So when he turns off his nice guy personality and tries to act like a jerk, she can sense (perhaps unconsciously) that it's coming across as bitterness/hate, and it scares her and/or creeps her out. A natural jerk is more of an indifferent "dik" of sorts, but he doesn't actually hate women, so it comes across differently. It comes across as playfulness or at worst genuine anger for some reason. The nice guy trying to act like a jerk may end up subtly (or not so subtly) "venting" without realizing it and OVERDOING the jerk thing. This venting is scary coming from a guy that you wouldn't expect it from.

b) He doesn't have the looks to back it up. Women can tolerate jerk behavior from a hot guy, but not from an average or below average looking guy.

c) He doesn't have the body languge to back it up. He might be acting like a jerk to women, but is still nervous/awkward/shaking/has poor eye contact. Essentially the low confidence that Skinnyguy mentioned above "leaks" out in the form of awkwardness.

Finally, the other good reason for the nice guy to NOT act like a jerk is so that he doesn't run his relationships with other men. I've known guys that went the "act like a jerk" route because of the PUA study, and now their guy friends can't stand being around them anymore.

 

[Trump]

If a guy doesn't get laid for the first time until he's 25 he will be nice around women while the player will be a jerk because he's more confident. And I think we all agree that you can't fake confidence.

So what these "no more nice guy" posts fail to understand is that lack of success with women feeds on itself and a guy who isn't successful with women yet acts like a jerk will come off as a creep to women because he actually has no confidence.

Solution for nice guys who don't get laid: try to focus on ONE THING you do very well and show that off. If you have to act like a jerk to get a woman she is low quality. Don't focus on "I need to act less nice around women" because it is counterproductive to your game. Guys need to appreciate who they are not feel like they need to change their personality just to get puss.

It's not about "being a nice guy", it's about making the sale. There are a lot of nice guys who get more women than others can imagine, while there are others who are not so nice and can't get anything. The difference being one group knows how to close and the other group doesn't.

A jerk isn't necessarily confident. In fact, a jerk will overcompensate by being a jerk because he lacks other qualities. An educated, well spoken nice guy will get a lot further with women than a confident jerk.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

So why exactly the age of 25?

 

[marmel75]

A lot of posts tell guys to not act like nice guys but you can't just flip a switch.

If a guy doesn't get laid for the first time until he's 25 he will be nice around women while the player will be a jerk because he's more confident. And I think we all agree that you can't fake confidence.

So what these "no more nice guy" posts fail to understand is that lack of success with women feeds on itself and a guy who isn't successful with women yet acts like a jerk will come off as a creep to women because he actually has no confidence.

Solution for nice guys who don't get laid: try to focus on ONE THING you do very well and show that off. If you have to act like a jerk to get a woman she is low quality. Don't focus on "I need to act less nice around women" because it is counterproductive to your game. Guys need to appreciate who they are not feel like they need to change their personality just to get puss.

Oh bullish!t. It doesn't take much to fvcking escalate on a date. Just stop being a pvssy and make a fvcking move.

 

[Poon King]

In the End we all must concede to the woman for the relationship to continue, because it's ALL about HER. Women are the selfish ones, not us guys. We sacrifice, they don't.

I suggest viewing this guys vids on the Female and Male relationship. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC424BtaOL-vlmUFIXEASwyQ

It's pretty much the Reality we men are facing. It's the nature of woman to be a Wh0re.

This is a defeatist faggot attitude to have.

You don't have to "concede" to enjoy women or have a relationship with them. All men have the ability to act on free will 24/7. If you are trying to say that you will never get something for nothing when dealing with women, then that's true. But that should be both obvious and expected. Life works that way in general. Nothing is free.

The point of the red pill is not to overvalue women and place them on a pedestal. Everything has a price but don't overpay. When a man becomes a pathetic "yes dear" beta b!tch he is basically paying $100 for a McDonald's Cheeseburger. Because the moron allowed blue pill society to trick him into believing a McDonald's cheeseburger is really worth $100. Don't overvalue women.