"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Kissing At The Bar

MrJack

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Got a date with an 8 tomorrow night and we are going to a bar and then wherever I decide to go next (probs another venue then to my place hopefully).

I was just reading somewhere that it’s best to kiss during the date and not at the very end because it’s awkward which I kind of agree with.

But am I just overthinking this or is it also awkward to just start kissing a girl while sitting at the bar top next to other people lol. (Assuming her interest is high and would love to stick her tongue down my throat)

Better to do it on the way to the next venue?

When do you master djs go for the kiss on your first dates?
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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HankHill

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Don't over think it. It can be awkward during or after depending on how things are going. Just act like a fun/cool guy do some light kino etc and see how it goes.
 

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I’m of the isolation mindset. Get her to your car at least. Odds of a kiss rejection on first date go up exponentially in a public atmosphere unless she’s really feeling it and into you… You’re the judge of that with kino, etc.
Bar dates are for getting to know each other and have some fun while at the bar. More fun comes later.…
 
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I'd try what I suggested yesterday to you. Women love and chase what they cannot get. If you make to too easy for them, they get bored. If you follow what I suggested it will only increase her interest; assuming there's at least a 5 of interest already. Build up to it and leave her wanting more. Women like the build up. Thus caress, hug, come close to a kiss, then pull away.

Rest assured she's already expecting a kiss at some point during the date. Make her mind continue to wonder.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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marmel75

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Got a date with an 8 tomorrow night and we are going to a bar and then wherever I decide to go next (probs another venue then to my place hopefully).

I was just reading somewhere that it’s best to kiss during the date and not at the very end because it’s awkward which I kind of agree with.

But am I just overthinking this or is it also awkward to just start kissing a girl while sitting at the bar top next to other people lol. (Assuming her interest is high and would love to stick her tongue down my throat)

Better to do it on the way to the next venue?

When do you master djs go for the kiss on your first dates?
I always try and find the most secluded place in the bar and go take them there and then kiss them while there in the course od normal convo
 

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Here's what I did tonight. Met a bar, instant chemistry. We sat down and talked for a bit for about around 2 hours, I said times about up in my parking meter, she said mine too. She said we can fill the meter and get another drink, so I agreed. She then leaned into me and we started making out. Went to the next bar, stalking and making out and her hands were all over me, and me with her. Left about a hour later, kissed aggressively at her car. On all times, she approached me, not the other way around. Got home, texted me, did you get home okay? She then also texted you're a good kisser. Very hot stuff. I just replied practice makes perfect and I aim to please.

OP, that is what you want. You want the woman to lead you into her. She did say I was overly confident and other things. You need to act like the sh!t. You are the boss and you do whatever and say whatever is on your mind. In the second place, we were sitting at the bar and we started making out in front of others. I didn't care, and that turned her on even more. Just play it as J.B. Smooth and you'll be fine.
 

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In the second place, we were sitting at the bar and we started making out in front of others. I didn't care, and that turned her on even more.
This is one of those acts (kissing in public, like a busy carpark, bar, restaurant, park, mid-street,,, ) that literally scream confidence and a genuine IDGAF mindset. Work like charm.
 

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I just start kissing their shoulders and neck whenever I feel like it and work my way up.
 

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This is one of those acts (kissing in public, like a busy carpark, bar, restaurant, park, mid-street,,, ) that literally scream confidence and a genuine IDGAF mindset. Work like charm.
No doubt. They seem to get more turned on after you do something bold in public. She did say earlier in the date she was tired of the lame momma's boys she was dating. Guess I took care of that issue. She's been texting me all morning to see me again. I said sure. Let's do something next weekend, I already have plans for this weekend. Though, she wants to meet instead of give me her address. I didn't push, so I agreed. One thing I learned is to be no combative and flexible within reason.

I just start kissing their shoulders and neck whenever I feel like it and work my way up.
What I did from the get go is brushing up her arms and legs slightly and then more and more as the night went on. She was wearing a short skirt, so it worked in my favor.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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R.U.G.

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I forgot to add, OP, no validation. All women seek validation from a bro. She commented on how nice I looked and that I am really attractive, the kissing was intense and hot. Never once did I give back any validation. Keep frame. Just say thanks and move on to another topic. They will then instinctively pursue you for that missing validation; just never give it. Again, you are trying to stick out from the pack. Be different. No compliments. No validations.
 
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