"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Kiss/make out on the first date no longer means you are in?

Lexington

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Another thing to consider is that it's a lot easier for a girl to flake when you met her online or through cold approach even if you've fvcked her brains out. You're a stranger and she can dismiss you without any social consequences whatsoever. Even her best friends might not know you exist. With a warm approach, she is more invested.

The online dating/cold approach thing is a double edge sword. You can pump and dump a bunch of broads, but the flip side is that they have a veritable buffet of c0ck to dine on.

These are just the times we live in....
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I p and d'ed a milf without even having to drop her. Just told her I was spinning 8 other women, and she said she didn't want to be 2nd choice let alone down a long list of girls.

Lol.
 

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Something I was doing after a particularly frustrating , but good, date with an online 7. This girl I took bowling, drinking and got back to her place...Damn near got the asss too. So I looked at what I did that night and duplicated it pretty much with the next date...same place, same clothes, same cologne, deodorant, and game approach. I did throw in a few more venue changes and that seemed to do the trick. It was a game for me, a fun game, where I could take a winning if near winning formula and tweak it this way or that way to get results. If I ever were to date again this is how I would do it. And, be going for the bang first date with most these online girls. You'll lose a few this way but they are not into you anyway or the pooon ain't worth the wait. Good luck.
 

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Order! Order!

It's no guarantee. You need to be going for the lay. Always. Sure, you'll lose a lot of girls who "think they can do better" but you're showing you ain't gonna wait for the lay, nor do you have the pu$$y on some pedestal. They already decided to reject you anyway.

A woman can drop you at any time, for any reason. If you're not banging a girl, you might as well just say you're in the friendzone. If men would stop putting pu$$y on pedestals and stop worshipping females, the price of love, sex, and companionship would drop drastically!
 

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Ok here is another case study: a 34 year old girl with great legs I had a date with tonight flaked but with a counter offer and a legitimate reason. She forgot she was taking her son to an Eminem concert. She then said she was very sorry, but really still wants to meet me. Yes I know single mums are not good but for a few dates and sex why not.

I texted back saying for my trouble I should be feeling her sexy legs up a lot earlier than whatever she had in mind! No smiley face or lol just the exclamation point.

No response its been 14 hours though she could be busy with the concert.

Was that a good play? It either sets the stage for a first date shag, or weeds out marginal interest.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Scormus said:
Ok here is another case study: a 34 year old girl with great legs I had a date with tonight flaked but with a counter offer and a legitimate reason. She forgot she was taking her son to an Eminem concert. She then said she was very sorry, but really still wants to meet me. Yes I know single mums are not good but for a few dates and sex why not.

I texted back saying for my trouble I should be feeling her sexy legs up a lot earlier than whatever she had in mind! No smiley face or lol just the exclamation point.

No response its been 14 hours though she could be busy with the concert.

Was that a good play? It either sets the stage for a first date shag, or weeds out marginal interest.
PLEASE ask her if she was the one sucking off two dudes.



For my trouble I should be feeling your sexy legs up a lot earlier!

1) Go to your local supermarket and get Totino's frozen pizza.
2) Remove the plastic and put it aside.
3) Pop the pizza in the microwave for 10 seconds (The time it took her to delete your number.)
4) Remove and take a bite of the still frozen pizza, your expression is the same as our reaction.
5) Take the plastic, put it around your head and then go to sleep.
 

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BeginningDJ said:
PLEASE ask her if she was the one sucking off two dudes.



For my trouble I should be feeling your sexy legs up a lot earlier!

This did not pass the Jumbo-Tron Test.
Ok I just googled that, thanks.

Short and aloof responses, gotcha.
 

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BeginningDJ said:
PLEASE ask her if she was the one sucking off two dudes.



For my trouble I should be feeling your sexy legs up a lot earlier!

1) Go to your local supermarket and get Totino's frozen pizza.
2) Remove the plastic and put it aside.
3) Pop the pizza in the microwave for 10 seconds (The time it took her to delete your number.)
4) Remove and take a bite of the still frozen pizza, your expression is the same as our reaction.
5) Take the plastic, put it around your head and then go to sleep.


She has just responded seems we are good so survived this gaffe, lol.
 

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Scormus said:
Ok here is another case study: a 34 year old girl with great legs I had a date with tonight flaked but with a counter offer and a legitimate reason. She forgot she was taking her son to an Eminem concert. She then said she was very sorry, but really still wants to meet me. Yes I know single mums are not good but for a few dates and sex why not.

I texted back saying for my trouble I should be feeling her sexy legs up a lot earlier than whatever she had in mind! No smiley face or lol just the exclamation point.

No response its been 14 hours though she could be busy with the concert.

Was that a good play? It either sets the stage for a first date shag, or weeds out marginal interest.
If you didn't get a text back by now, your princess is in another castle. Marginal interest weeded out. Drop her ass.

Case study: Closed.
 

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hmm

nismo-4 said:
If you didn't get a text back by now, your princess is in another castle. Marginal interest weeded out. Drop her ass.

Case study: Closed.
Date is on for tomorrow, let's see how that goes. You never know right place, right time and what could be a rejection one day is a lay on another?

Of course she could just flake. Or not go on a 2nd date. We'll see.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I had a situation like this arise about a year ago. This cute one hit me up online and we talked quite a bit before meeting up but when we finally did, we seemed to be really comfortable with each other and made out repeatedly over the 3 hours we were hanging out. I had begun to like her and instead of doing my usual "go for the gusto", I thought it would be good to practice some restraint and build some anticipation for "next time"...a time that never came. So to echo everyone else on this thread, making out means nothing even if you do it multiple times and she seems into you. And in retrospect, I could have probably gotten laid with her but due to the fickle nature of women, that probably wouldn't have meant anything either.
 

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Yes but if I get the lay in my book I have gained something and/or won.

Kissing and making out with no 2nd date is for losers (like me at the moment!)
 
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