Just sent this ridiculous message to a bunch of girls on OkC...

[devilkingx2]

any girl who doesn't respond would probably be boring as hell anyway

I mean if you can't be clever or funny or creative on the freakin' internet where you have unlimited time to think about and edit your response to perfection you're about as interesting as the ****roaches in a bad NYC apartment.

although, your message seems a little extreme and, take out the mention of the dead hooker, if you must have a corpse make it a dead... anything but stripper/hooker/etc. and it'll be more woman friendly you may also want to mention that the illegal stuff isn't theirs or was used to frame them(I guess you can make that part optional so they can choose why they have it, whether their being framed, borrowing someone's car or just going for their tuesday afternoon drives) but is still in their car so the girls who aren't into guns/drugs can still play along

otherwise it sounds sort of like you're sending a man's message to women.

I think it will drive all but the edgiest women away. You might get a lot of bisexual tattooed biker chicks with that opener.

sounds like it'll keep the boring girls away.

 

[backbreaker]

Iceburg and Spiegel are dead on.


I've been selling **** for the vast majority of my adult life. Cars, computers, websites. And I'm very good at it. If Alex Baldwin in GlennGary Glenn Ross was black and shorter that would be me lol.

I'm going to let you in on a secret about selling ****. Rather it be a new lexus or selling yourself to a HB9.

What you are selling is not as important as making them feel unique or special



Iceburg hit it on the head when he said the best system is no system. You might get a few bites by sending out stupid mass emails like that but you won't get the real success you are looking for.

Here's a novel thought Actually read a chicks profile lol. Find something that you think is somewhat interesting about her, and send her a short to the point message about hwat you found without telling your entire life story.

AS long as you pass the eye test she will respond 10 out of 10 times. You are trying to guarantee a response with your opener by bypassing her sizing you up and you can't do that.

that would be like me trying to sell a client a website without showing them our portfolio. And I've actually done that before but that's not how you sale


not even talking about hte fact that you are disqualifying yourself from pretty much all of the women that you actually want to meet on OKC. We talk ll the time about how women there are BPD, crazy, stupid, slutty and you are saying basically hey let me make a joke about drugs, hookers and guns which means to some women that you are okay with this behavior,a nd the women that you actually want to find aren't going to give you the time of tday


and on top of all that, let's say you actually got someone to respond with a response. "I'd play it cool and bat my eyes and act cute for the police officer"

lol now what? how do you transaction from that to getting a date? You've gotten her to respond to a stupid question but getting her to respond to a stupid question has absolutely nothing to do with her being attracted to you or wanting to go out on a date with you. " IN fact this is the chick that is most likely to flake on you beucase you never bult attraction. Then you'd come here *****ing about all the flaky *****es on OKC and how the site sucks. damn that question was so out of left field i want to suck this guy's ****" doesn't work like that.

Basically you are trying too hard.

man korrupt you used to be better than this lol. snap out of this **** man you have more game than this bull****.

 

[Zarky]

Here's a novel thought Actually read a chicks profile lol. Find something that you think is somewhat interesting about her, and send her a short to the point message about hwat you found without telling your entire life story.

AS long as you pass the eye test she will respond 10 out of 10 times.

Nothing you do will get a 100% response rate. This is the kind of false info that discourages guys. Realistically, the best you can hope for is maybe a 10-25% response rate. And 25% is really pushing it.

 

[spiegel549]

Openers based on their profiles are impossible if you're trying to send out a lot of messages. Plus a lot of these girls (specifically those on PoF) hardly have anything in their profiles.

You should set your search to a 50 mile radius to make sure you get more girls coming in. If you use the POF app on the phone, every time you reload the page you get 50 or so new girls to scroll through. So if you do come across ones with slim to no profile, make a comment about one of there pictures OR just move to the next bro.

Literally there are SO MANY girls on POF you have plenty of them with detailed profiles. Plus I wouldn't send out a million messages. Take your time and pick out some "quality" ones and then message them.

Once again if you put up pictures that make you look ugly as a mule you will not get responses. Even if your not a model put up FUN photos, you with friends, you with other girls and label it "my best friend since kids" show girls you can get hot girls.

Works for me! I have 2 new POF dates coming up this week!

 

[backbreaker]

Nothing you do will get a 100% response rate. This is the kind of false info that discourages guys. Realistically, the best you can hope for is maybe a 10-25% response rate. And 25% is really pushing it.

i was being facetious

the point being is that it would work in general. because what he is doing now won't.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Here's a novel thought Actually read a chicks profile lol. Find something that you think is somewhat interesting about her, and send her a short to the point message about hwat you found without telling your entire life story.

I am going to disagree with this. Online dating is a numbers game and if you're going to read the profiles of every girl you find attractive and try to come up with messages that relate to something in those profiles, you'll be wasting waaaaay more time than you need to.

Personally, I've had pretty good success with the following message: "Hey there!" Yup, that's all. Online dating is 80% pics, 15% status (i.e your job) and 5% everything else (i.e witty openers, etc.) Don't waste too much time on the 5%. By sending a short, low-effort feeler, you are basically asking her if she likes your pics and self-description. If she replies with something like "I'm good, how are you", then you spend the time reading her profile and writing something meaningful. You can write the most brilliant opener in the world, but if she doesn't like your pics, she's not going to respond.

 

[Decoy]

I am going to disagree with this. Online dating is a numbers game and if you're going to read the profiles of every girl you find attractive and try to come up with messages that relate to something in those profiles, you'll be wasting waaaaay more time than you need to.

That's right.

A witty one-liner and followed by a question. Copy and paste.

It's important to find the things women are doing in your area because 80% have done it or doing it. Say you live near a lake,
Have you done any jet skiing?
Have you fished at X lake?
Ever paddleboarded there?

If you are a 6+ in looks, it should get quite a few responses. If you are under, you shouldn't waste your time online dating.

 

[backbreaker]

I am going to disagree with this. Online dating is a numbers game and if you're going to read the profiles of every girl you find attractive and try to come up with messages that relate to something in those profiles, you'll be wasting waaaaay more time than you need to.

Personally, I've had pretty good success with the following message: "Hey there!" Yup, that's all. Online dating is 80% pics, 15% status (i.e your job) and 5% everything else (i.e witty openers, etc.) Don't waste too much time on the 5%. By sending a short, low-effort feeler, you are basically asking her if she likes your pics and self-description. If she replies with something like "I'm good, how are you", then you spend the time reading her profile and writing something meaningful. You can write the most brilliant opener in the world, but if she doesn't like your pics, she's not going to respond.

it's not much different than how i bring in jobs for my web company. about.. 50% of our work comes from freelance sites or what not and i probably read a total of 500 new job postings a day, thoroughly read them, and i probably respond to 10 of them. out of about 500 on a weekday 10 might be worth my time. so while i don't online date i very well know the context of what is being spoken about.

1. the most important thing i do, is that i actually make sure that i'm what the client is looking for.

think of it like this. lets say.. warrior and i are in real life and we are friends and he has this guy who knows him who wants a website built and he refer him to my company. that to me is the equivalent of a socal circle in dating game. A client is probably going to be alot more lienant when it comes to our rates, our portfolio, whatever, in that seenerio because we have a built in rapport already.

but in the online dating world, or in my case getting clients who i have never met before, id n't waste my time responding if i am not EXACTLY what the client s looking for. If the client is in Florida and really wants to deal with someone in florida than we don't waste our time. If the client has his heart set on using say, Dupral to build a site I won't waste my time even if we can built the site because we don't program using Dupral. If the client wants to pay a hourly rate I won't respond because we don't do hourly rates.

And if i don't have enough information to determine if i'm what this guy wants, or girl for that matter, I don't respond. I don't waste my time responding to people who I am not 100% sure I'm a good match to.

This means the vast majority of my time is reading and not responding. I'm cool with that.

So I KNOW the guy is going to respond because we do what he wants and we hit all his criteria. getting a woman to respond is no different. If you meet her criteria she will respond. And nothing less

all this thread is about trying to basically circumvent meeting a woman's criteria. Which is hypocritical because you got the chance to size her up when you sent her the generic one liner in the first place.


2. I come off as genuine and I get to the point. If I know we can do a job and I know we meet all the criteria what the **** is the need to go into this drawn out sales pitch or use any tactics other than look here dude, bam lol.


How effective is this. Because I have been busy with my son, and spending time with him before he goes off to school for the firs time I only worked one day last week, Wednesday. I emailed 5 clients. I got respnodes from 3 of them and sold 2 of the 3.


http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=198069


i promise you the same road you are going down with this shotgun **** I was there 5 years ago with this web development company. I've been there and done it and I'm past that. My business, and actually my game with women as far as the number of good plates, took off when I stopped caring about the number of responses I sent out / the best sales pitch and stared using my sniper rifle / spent my time screening for matches more than shot gunning.

you are trying to get around the fact that the woman isn't responding and make her responding instead of accecpting that mabye you simply aren't what the chick is looking for. No witty response, no great one liner is or sales pitch is going to make you that guy.

conversly if you are what the girl is looking for, or in my case the client, as long as i don't **** it up i'm going to get a shot.

anything more than that is seriously over thinking it.


in a nut shell what i am trying to say is basically that you are going to spend time doing something. either shot gunning or screening. screening is going to get you better results. stop worrying about how many other guys she is going to get messages from (or in my case, how many other companies are emailing clients or how many other company sites the client has been to lookin for quotes), start worrying more about making sure that you fit what she is looking for in general.

 

[MaddXMan]

OP: when women see that opener what stands out in their minds is "dead" and "in a trunk." It's probably a little scary and they probably already encountered a few creepers online. I would spin it as "You check into a hotel and find 100k in a drawer; what would you do?" This would lead easier into banter, just IMO.

I always played on something in their pictures or from their profile. Just a quick icebreaker to say hi, it works fine.

 

[backbreaker]

the bottom line is that, no matter what you do, this is exactly what's going to happen

1. she's going to click on your profile
2. she's going to look at your pictures
3. she's going to make a snap judgement on rather she likes you or not based on your overall portfolio
4. her determination is going to be heavily weighted by hot she thinks you're


this is all fact. There is nothing you can say do, or whatever that is going to get you past those 4 things. There is nothing that you can say that is so witty where she is going to not bother to look at your profile pics.

Game, salesmanship in this venue only matters after she has determined that you meet her criteria. That's not even wrong per say it's just how people are wired. It would be like me sending a client a 20 page proposal before they even know if they like our work or not.

So the best thing that you can do, is to come off as a guy who actually is interested in Her. even if you aren't. The best thing you can do is to make her feel special enough to say damn he actually read my profile and he likes me. No matterw hat you do she's going to view your profile and base her reponse to you off of your profile, the least you can do is make it to where that if she determines that if she likes you, she will have a higher opinion of you.

It's not your opener that makes her respond, it's the profile. Don't run em off before they have a chance to get to the profile.

Now if your profile needs work that's nothing you can do about that but hit the gym and clean up lol

 

[Decoy]

the bottom line is that, no matter what you do, this is exactly what's going to happen

1. she's going to click on your profile
2. she's going to look at your pictures
3. she's going to make a snap judgement on rather she likes you or not based on your overall portfolio
4. her determination is going to be heavily weighted by hot she thinks you're


this is all fact. There is nothing you can say do, or whatever that is going to get you past those 4 things. There is nothing that you can say that is so witty where she is going to not bother to look at your profile pics.

Game, salesmanship in this venue only matters after she has determined that you meet her criteria. That's not even wrong per say it's just how people are wired. It would be like me sending a client a 20 page proposal before they even know if they like our work or not.

So the best thing that you can do, is to come off as a guy who actually is interested in Her. even if you aren't. The best thing you can do is to make her feel special enough to say damn he actually read my profile and he likes me. No matterw hat you do she's going to view your profile and base her reponse to you off of your profile, the least you can do is make it to where that if she determines that if she likes you, she will have a higher opinion of you.

It's not your opener that makes her respond, it's the profile. Don't run em off before they have a chance to get to the profile.

Now if your profile needs work that's nothing you can do about that but hit the gym and clean up lol

Holy sh!t, this must be the most incoherent post I have seen on SS.

Bro, do u evn d8?

 

[Bokanovsky]

it's not much different than how i bring in jobs for my web company. about.. 50% of our work comes from freelance sites or what not and i probably read a total of 500 new job postings a day, thoroughly read them, and i probably respond to 10 of them. out of about 500 on a weekday 10 might be worth my time. so while i don't online date i very well know the context of what is being spoken about.

What is it with your obsession with writing long, rambling posts about yourself and your web development company? Online dating is in no way analogous to your business. Your post is the biggest non-sequitur I've ever read.

 

[backbreaker]

Because it's all the same thing. That's the theme of my entire persona; that the things that you learn about live in general helps you with women and the things you learn about women help you with life.

Once you understand that you are able to easily transition tactics, advice and other advice given in other areas of life to fully reach your potential with the opposite sex.

Most of the stuff I learned about how to deal with women didn't come from this site or game in general, just from living life. Running a company, being a drug addict, recovering from drug addiction, etc. My ironclad determination to have things my way and only my way in a relationship with a woman or i will walk didn't come from this site, it developed after years of dealing with various clients and understanding that the best deals where always the ones that are on my terms.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=198358

I'm a huge believer that patience is the most important thing you can have as a DJ and that didn't come from this site either, it came from seeing the progress I made 8 years ago when i first got clean and learning to let the little drama **** slide early on my recovery, seeing first hand how everyone who got caught up in the little stupid dramas like dating and worrying about who said what and trying to get your entirelife back in 6 months every last one of them relapsed, I'm still clean. I saw people running around doing the same thing year after year when if they could have just developed some patience they would give themselves time to actually grow.


http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=202878


Then I look at my life lessons and see if they have any correlation with game. In this case, this does.

I also talk about my past drug addiction at length because there are a lot of similarities to a recovering alcoholic as it relates to AFCism

By all means if you don't like my posts, block me or don't respond / read what I have to say.

My entire point being that you are going to get further with women on an online dating site when she is being bombarded with responses from guys by being truly genuine and I know this because this has worked for me for the last 4 or so years. My point being that getting a woman to respond to your one post is absoutly no different whatsoever than me trying to get someone to respond to my companies profile out of 150 or so other responses from web development compaines. I'm able to do it and offered my point of view. If you don't agree with that point of view by all means, you are more than entitled to your opinion, but that's my opinion based on years of experience.

 

[Iceberg]

I am going to disagree with this. Online dating is a numbers game and if you're going to read the profiles of every girl you find attractive and try to come up with messages that relate to something in those profiles, you'll be wasting waaaaay more time than you need to.

Well for me personally, it's not every girl that I'd find attractive. It's the girls who I'd actually see myself dating. The benefit of OKC over POF is that at least on OKC you can read their questions and see if this is someone you'd actually want to spend time with.

Anyway, Korrupt seems like his approach is to copy and paste messages to 20 girls per night. Which I feel like is the environmental equivalent of over-fishing. Messaging every semi-pretty girl with the same message, and eventually ending up with zero girls left who haven't heard from you. Then, once you've fished all of your area, what's left to do?

On the other hand, I might send 10 messages per month. And since it's so few, it's not a problem for me to look at the girl's profile real quick, see that she's into Breaking Bad, and then write two quick sentences like, "Hey. Did you see last week's episode? Blah blah." At least then, I feel like I'm standing out from the guys who just write "Hey what's up." and we're starting a conversation.

Personally, I've had pretty good success with the following message: "Hey there!" Yup, that's all.

See, my issue with that message is - I feel like I'd be putting all the pressure on the girl come up with the interesting conversation-starter. And we know how girls respond to pressure. They don't respond.

If your method works, dude, I 100% will not argue with success. I guess my issue is that I write for a living, so whether it's this message board or dating or my job, I like to be a little bit buttoned-up. So if I write a girl and just say "Hey." I'll be left to wonder if she didn't respond because she didn't like me (which is okay) or if it's just because I didn't give her any material to respond to (which means that I f**ked up).

So in summary, I feel like profiles exist for the purpose of setting me (or the girl) up with some material for an intro message. Pictures are VERY important. But since words are your only method of communication, those have to be on-point too.

 

[SgtSplacker]

The single best thing I did in POF is put activity pictures up. Screw the pics of me posing somewhere looking like a dork. I put pics of me at a party with friends, posing with a caught tuna on a boat, etc. Remember, when women look at men's profiles they either respond to their horny side that just wants a ripped dude to rail them. Or their gold digger side that want's a man with status (you're the one catching the fish, and that people are posing with, etc.) women either want their short term urges fulfilled or long term.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Most of the stuff I learned about how to deal with women didn't come from this site or game in general, just from living life. Running a company, being a drug addict, recovering from drug addiction, etc. My ironclad determination to have things my way and only my way in a relationship with a woman or i will walk didn't come from this site, it developed after years of dealing with various clients and understanding that the best deals where always the ones that are on my terms.

Except, when your wife hit you, you did not walk. So much for doing things on your terms.

 

[devilkingx2]

What you are selling is not as important as making them feel unique or special

isn't this an entire website devoted to teaching guys to stop doing this exact thing with women?

 

[devilkingx2]

What is it with your obsession with writing long, rambling posts about yourself and your web development company? Online dating is in no way analogous to your business. Your post is the biggest non-sequitur I've ever read.

his point is that you shouldn't just randomly message people something generic, because that wouldn't work in his buisness nor here. you're supposed to put the effort in and read her profile and custom make a response like he screens his clients and then writes proposals.

granted, his job sounds more like being the girl than the guy.

not even talking about hte fact that you are disqualifying yourself from pretty much all of the women that you actually want to meet on OKC. We talk ll the time about how women there are BPD, crazy, stupid, slutty and you are saying basically hey let me make a joke about drugs, hookers and guns which means to some women that you are okay with this behavior,a nd the women that you actually want to find aren't going to give you the time of tday

I thought his message was a little extreme but he shouldn't tone it down too much if he wants an interesting girl with a sense of humor as opposed to a stick in the mud.

and on top of all that, let's say you actually got someone to respond with a response. "I'd play it cool and bat my eyes and act cute for the police officer"

lol now what? how do you transaction from that to getting a date? You've gotten her to respond to a stupid question but getting her to respond to a stupid question has absolutely nothing to do with her being attracted to you or wanting to go out on a date with you. "

you're imagining the conversation as:

OP: [opener]

girl: [response]

OP: sooo you wanna get together and have dinner sometime?

I'd hope that the OP isn't that stupid and that he'd transition from that into talking about each other

it was a conversation starter, presumably he'd then go and do his normal routine

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

you shouldn't just randomly message people something generic, because that wouldn't work in his buisness nor here. you're supposed to put the effort in and read her profile and custom make a response like he screens his clients and then writes proposals.

I agree.

This is what worked for me in the past. I know copying and pasting works for some...probably works best on the 4 to 6 range. But it's an old move and most girls are on to it. You might as well be the desperate guy at the bar at 2 am walking around and hitting on any girl that will talk to you.

If you want a response from the 8's and 9's you're going to have to read her profile and comment about something on it. A witty/teasing remark about one of her pictures or something she said is usually best....nothing new there.

 

[spiegel549]

Listen its very simple. STRICTLY TALKING POF.

Like backbreaker said if you don't have pictures of you in great shape shirtless taken by other people such as at a pool party, beach etc. You are NOT going to get a lot of responses. Simple as that.

No matter how great your opening line is if you are an out of shape ugly fuk YOU ARE NOT GETTING A RESPONSE.

POF speaking, put up your best photos, have a funny/impressive profile, and open with a funny line from something that you read in her profile.

DONE. SIMPLE. DO IT!