"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Just about done with this site, and why this site sucks in its current form

bobbob

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I was originally going to post this as a response to another thread here: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90059, but decided it would be better served to make this as a new post.




"Being a DJ alone will never give you the toolset to meet any woman in any situation.

Carefully reread the posts by the greatest "DJs" on this site and you'll see this to be true.

Pook never could pick up women at clubs. He says this himself.

if by P_S you mean Player_Supreme ... wow, I really hope you're not taking anything he says to be golden. He's posted pics of the women he dates, and well ... since I can't say anything nice about how they look, I won't say anything at all.

I'm just about done with this site. The message boards are total crap with ridiculous questions and comments, I'm not learning anything new, the DJ Bible has MASSIVE holes in it. As it stands right now, the DJ Bible is a tool to help put you on the path to changing your mindset; it is not a toolbox that directly helps you in meeting women.

So much of the advice in the DJ Bible stems from low self-esteem. Every post about "waiting X number of days to call" and every post about NEXTing a girl is rooted in low self esteem. They are defense mechanisms to guard against getting hurt.

The other thing I don't like about this site is the incredible focus on the superficial aspects of improving yourself. There's so much advice on here to work out and get buff ... changing how you look just to attract women is about as AFC as it gets. If being a DJ is the greatest method out there when it comes to attracting women, then HOW COME OTHER METHODS ARE BEING USED SUCCESSFULLY BY UGLY GUYS? Style isn't handsome. David D isn't that good looking. One of the guy's on David D's interview CD's is 3' tall and confined to a wheelchair. And yet all these guys are having massive success with model quality women.

I'll post a thread soon with what I've learned in the past year. Nearly none of it was learned directly from this site.

The main reason though, is that this whole idea of being a DJ is nonsense. A DJ is really just another term for saying "a perfectly evolved man".

There is no such thing as perfection. If you keep waiting to be perfect before you have success with women, you'll be waiting forever. Learn from those who came from a place where they were having NO success with women. These are the people you can learn the most from.

This is why I put 400 times more stock in anything I read or hear from Style (Neil Strauss) than someone like Pook. The former came from having no success with women, and built himself up into being able to pick up any woman in any situation. The latter, was already having success with women prior to "becoming a DJ"; thats why I put less faith in Pook's advice than Style's.]

Improving yourself, and improving your ability to meet and attract women, ARE TWO DIFFERENT ENDEAVORS.

Yes, there is some overlap; for example, if you improve yourself by making 10 million dollars, you will increase your attractiveness with women.

But I and anyone reading this can think of tons of ways you can improve who you are as a person, that will do NOTHING when it comes to helping you attract women.

This site suffers from confusion; its focus isn't quite on self-improvement fully, and isn't quite on getting women fully, and as a result, the advice people give, and the focus of the DJ Bible, suffers from giving out two different messages.

To have success in any undertaking, your goal must be clear. The goal on this site, isn't clear, its muddled. Is this site for learning how to get girls, or is this site for self-improvement?

Believe it or not, they aren't the same goal.

peace"
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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The self-help aspect of this forum isn't very seductive. No one wants to hear that they need to change several things about themselves. The pook philosophy and self-help angle of this forum is more of an end game; it is not the the game. Most guys just want some pussse and a little bit of companionship.

I was thinking today that.....

PUA style game works best for unattractive guys; it pushes the personality angle.

DJ style works best for attractive and confident men.

When your attractive and fit, the women come to you, your game is on cruise control, all you have to do is enjoy the ride and dont **** it up with your words.
 

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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY


PUA style game works best for unattractive guys; it pushes the personality angle.

DJ style works best for attractive and confident men.

When your attractive and fit, the women come to you, your game is on cruise control, all you have to do is enjoy the ride and dont **** it up with your words.
That's a good way to look at it.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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dude, this site has drastically changed my life around

nope, theres nothing new, same old recycled stuff....but.....my life with females is sooooo much better than it was a year ago

I'm getting dates and numbers left and right....well maybe not left and right but a lot more than i did a year ago

this site give upped my confidence and self-esteem

u see, growing up, I always knew that I'd have to face this problem one day-girls

I thought it'd be the toughest thing and such

but thanks to this, this problem is outta the way

of course some stuff on here is BS and has "massive holes" but its just a site

thanks sosuave
 

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David D's stuff is BS. The guys in his interviews are frauds. It's all about marketing and making it come across as the best thing there is when in fact, it is no better than anything else.
 

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Originally posted by SELF-MASTERY
I was thinking today that.....

PUA style game works best for unattractive guys; it pushes the personality angle.

DJ style works best for attractive and confident men.

When your attractive and fit, the women come to you, your game is on cruise control, all you have to do is enjoy the ride and dont **** it up with your words.
very well put,

I actually skipped over the seduction part of this site and went directly for the self-improvement. I read Pook's work and decided that was the road for me. I have never looked back. Hard as hell but now I am the one doing the attraction instead of the women. Funny stuff :p

comic_relief
 

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bobob this is a social forum, and it will forever carry this curse you purvey to us. You have to deal with THIS as much as THAT when it comes to reality, you cannot control every aspect, only the method and choices you take towards your goals and ambitions.

Sorry to say, but unless speech is going to be omitted and the as of yet unlearned, or untrained, or afc, or braggarts are banned from the boards there is going to be no change that is not controlled by the men and women behind their computer screens... this site is still ruled by anonimity and there is nothing that can be done about it...

You might be able to convince a few people to do some coding so you can filter people and the responses to their posts but then what you are simply doing is putting blinders on yourself...
 
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