I've got two software developers-possible business or give me start up ideas

[Jason9]

I've fortunately got myself two software developers.

There is a chance to set up a software business.

Or can you guys give start up ideas?

I thought about insurance software or some kind of finance software start up.

Perhaps there is a chance to obtain projects, clients through networking

 

[BackInTheGame78]

So you have zero experience in this field and think it's just that easy?

This would be like saying "I've got a few friends that play basketball, should I go try out for the NBA?"

It's like, what???

I don't understand why people have the illusion that this is so "easy" that they can just get into with no experience and just hit the ground running.

Perhaps it's because AI has made everyone think they are engineers now because they can get the AI to build something that works even though most times it's incredibly broken underneath the surface.

 

[Jason9]

So you have zero experience in this field and think it's just that easy?

This would be like saying "I've got a few friends that play basketball, should I go try out for the NBA?"

It's like, what???

I don't understand why people have the illusion that this is so "easy" that they can just get into with no experience and just hit the ground running.

Perhaps it's because AI has made everyone think they are engineers now because they can get the AI to build something that works even though most times it's incredibly broken underneath the surface.

I have looked at YouTube videos were people with zero experience built their software company, saas company, software agency. They found their developers on freelance sites.

That's were the optimism comes from.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I have looked at YouTube videos were people with zero experience built their software company, saas company, software agency. They found their developers on freelance sites.

That's were the optimism comes from.

Yes and if people realized how poorly designed these products actually are especially when it comes to security they would never use them.

But it will be their day being leaked at some point so I guess they will learn the hard way.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Could you possibly be more vague? What kind of software developers are they, front end, backend, full stack? Do they do desktop, mobile, web design, databases, or do they do niche things like SDKs and APIs? What are their specialities and interests? - do they have a github?

With the rise of AI, the value of a software developer isn't as high now, the real value comes from human ingenuity and creativity in finding a product or service that people actually want. Over the years I've had some random ideas for useful software that i'd like to see invented, but they're slipping my mind right now. If you are really interested in this give me some more info and maybe I can come up some ideas, for a nominal fee.

Off the top of my head, one idea I have is some kind of AI-driven job application software. Some stuff like that is already out. Something that can find jobs based on your search criteria, apply for you with custom tailored resumes, then provide real time assistance in interviews by providing a live transcriptions with answers to interview questions, information about the interviewer, talking points, potential responses, etc.

 

[Atom Smasher]

You've got to identify a real need in any marketplace, preferably in an area having to do with your interests. You can and should train yourself to identify shortfalls in various industries/market sectors and work on developing solutions accordingly.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I have looked at YouTube videos were people with zero experience built their software company, saas company, software agency. They found their developers on freelance sites.

Let me guess, they'll teach you how if you join their coaching program?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Could you possibly be more vague? What kind of software developers are they, front end, backend, full stack? Do they do desktop, mobile, web design, databases, or do they do niche things like SDKs and APIs? What are their specialities and interests? - do they have a github?

With the rise of AI, the value of a software developer isn't as high now, the real value comes from human ingenuity and creativity in finding a product or service that people actually want. Over the years I've had some random ideas for useful software that i'd like to see invented, but they're slipping my mind right now. If you are really interested in this give me some more info and maybe I can come up some ideas, for a nominal fee.

Off the top of my head, one idea I have is some kind of AI-driven job application software. Some stuff like that is already out. Something that can find jobs based on your search criteria, apply for you with custom tailored resumes, then provide real time assistance in interviews by providing a live transcriptions with answers to interview questions, information about the interviewer, talking points, potential responses, etc.

I disagree. The need for software engineers is actually increasing, not decreasing.

And it's precisely because people with no idea what they are doing are putting out applications that have no business being out for anything other than personal use.

Without an engineer who understands what they are doing and what to look for, AI on its own builds an MVP at best.

The code and architecture are disasters and will not scale properly. Often times it's got architecture that doesn't even fit properly together.

Nobody who builds those that isn't an engineer understands why that's a problem or what to do to fix it.

And don't even get me started on security.

 

[plumber]

I disagree. The need for software engineers is actually increasing, not decreasing.

And it's precisely because people with no idea what they are doing are putting out applications that have no business being out for anything other than personal use.

Without an engineer who understands what they are doing and what to look for, AI on its own builds an MVP at best.

The code and architecture are disasters and will not scale properly. Often times it's got architecture that doesn't even fit properly together.

Nobody who builds those that isn't an engineer understands why that's a problem or what to do to fix it.

And don't even get me started on security.

yes. and... the window is shrinking... they will get better. look at how much better ai is now then last year, and the year before. its getting better faster and faster. the ones that really get it are going all in...

 

[BackInTheGame78]

yes. and... the window is shrinking... they will get better. look at how much better ai is now then last year, and the year before. its getting better faster and faster. the ones that really get it are going all in...

Not really. Humans are still needed because just because code looks reasonable and works does not equal it belongs in production, maintains the architectural integrity of the overall application, is secure, or doesn't cause other tradeoff problems that the AI didn't consider. The AI is good at implementing a solution but not very good at understanding the context as a whole. And that's not something that will improve all that quickly if at all. Essentially think of the AI as someone who wants to drive very fast but is very good at steering. Without humans setting guardrails the AI will quickly go off the road and crash the car. And to be able to actually set guardrails, you actually have to understand system architecture and design principles.

This just tells me you don't understand how software actually gets written and what goes into all of the concerns of a software engineer. Things that we worry about, most people don't even know about or have any idea how that relates to the overall application.

 

[plumber]

Not really. Humans are still needed because just because code looks reasonable and works does not equal it belongs in production, maintains the architectural integrity of the overall application, is secure, or doesn't cause other tradeoff problems that the AI didn't consider. The AI is good at implementing a solution but not very good at understanding the context as a whole. And that's not something that will improve all that quickly if at all. Essentially think of the AI as someone who wants to drive very fast but is very good at steering. Without humans setting guardrails the AI will quickly go off the road and crash the car. And to be able to actually set guardrails, you actually have to understand system architecture and design principles.

This just tells me you don't understand how software actually gets written and what goes into all of the concerns of a software engineer. Things that we worry about, most people don't even know about or have any idea how that relates to the overall application.

Game78, yes and no.

Humans have the same problem as ai. As the pattern of process is similar. Ai is not really beter or worse, but mechanically can be increased. We don't have a way to really grow a human smarter or add more resources to it.

I really don't know many... or any. humans that are also very good at integrity. software or otherwise. the few adult architects that are really sharp usually know there limits... very well. lots of cowboys with idea and some others with educations but without vision.

the comment of "This just tells me you don't understand" is not really what i would expect from a senior guy. before you chose that line i perceived you as senior. instead of just enjoy the debate, you chose to make a personal judgment.