"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I've got a question about GFs and all that..

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Like, when you want to go out with a girl, do you just ask "will you go out with me?" or what?

Thats what I do and its anyone's guess from there...

what's the etiquette on asking her out or getting her to be your girlfriend?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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A lot of people say to just go on dates with her and eventually just ask whether or not you two are exclusive...I like a little more security than that, and in HS people are a lot more about the whole boyfriend girlfriend scene instead of going out with someone and getting to know them before starting something... I generally think of a creative way to do it, just so it stands out. My last girlfriend, I made a note with crayon that said "I think you're neat and have pretty hair, wanna go out with me?" with the wrong hang so it looked like a little kid's writing, then put the yes no and maybe boxes. Worked perfectly and she put it on her wall, all her friends thought it was the greatest thing ever etc etc.
 

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I usually make it sound like she's tagging along to somewhere i'm already going. e.g.

Me : I'm going to the !pool hall!, you should tag along, you'd enjoy it.

OR, i'd be forceful about it. e.g

Me: I'm going to !pool hall! and you're coming, i'll pick you up at 7.
 

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Originally posted by jonny football hero
I usually make it sound like she's tagging along to somewhere i'm already going. e.g.

Me : I'm going to the !pool hall!, you should tag along, you'd enjoy it.

OR, i'd be forceful about it. e.g

Me: I'm going to !pool hall! and you're coming, i'll pick you up at 7.
Althogh I dont have a problem with asking girls out, I found this thread pretty funny! But also a very good idea, thanks for the help!
 

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Asking a girl to be your girlfriend is probably not the best idea. But getting a girlfriend in high school is simple. Just date her a couple of times and make your move (kiss her). She will take care of the rest :p
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Originally posted by jonny football hero


Me: I'm going to !pool hall! and you're coming, i'll pick you up at 7.
I got a similar idea from my friend who uses that kind of line on me when I am wavering between which group of friends to hang out with for the night.(different groups because each group comes from a different school)

Now I use that to ask chicks out too. I'm not forceful when I'm asking her out for the first time though. Usually the first time I tell her to "tag along" or "you should come with me to _____"
 

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The way you want to handle this is to treat her like your girlfriend, but not quite. Take her on dates, kiss her, make out with her, just progress in the relationship. If she has any romantic interest towards you, she will ask you to be her boyfriend. It's one of the best ways to see her actual interest in you.

Some girls will feel slutty if you are treating them like a girlfriend, but there is no exclusive tag to it. If she is really interested, she'll ask. If she isn't, she won't.
 

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After a couple of dates if you want an exclusive relationship make a joke about it.

Him: You, me, bowling alley this saturday at noon. Exclusive members ONLY, so feel entitled.

Her: blah blah blah


If she doesn't get that, then she's blonde and you'll need to directly say it to her.
 
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