"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Locke2121

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I had to learn it through horrible, long-term experince. If I'm wrong, please correct me, but I don't think I am.

If you want to be with a woman, be more than her friend....you can't be her friend.

Not at first of course. Being a woman's friend, listening to her problems...thats the surest way to become her best GUY friend. You become the one she wants when she needs a shoulder to cry on when her boyfriend breaks her heart. Very often, she doesn't know that your heart is breaking as well, but not for the same reasons her is. Your stuck so far in what people call the Friend Zone it takes either a miracle or so much mega-hard work to get out of it that in the end, it often isn't worth the effort and loss of a friendship.

That doesn't mean you can't love a woman and be her friend...but first you have to get her love. Once you are together, then you become the one she talks to. You listen to her problems and help her out. When her heart is breaking, yours is too and she knows it then because she knows you as both a friend and a lover.

But thats the problem. We want so much to be a part of a woman's life, we want with all our heart and soul to start helping her before we are with her. We can't help it, and very often we are far down the road into the Zone before we even realize it.

So don't talk about her stupid ex. Or about how her parents don't give her enough space. Talk instead about her. How her eyes sparkle when she smiles, how pretty she is when she blushes, especially when your the one making her blush. About how you like her hair loose and flowing, not confined. Flirt, make deep eye contact and make her comfortable with your touch.

That has to come first. Thats the road that a man must take, and he needs to keep his course clear in his head, because it is all too easy to take that offramp into the Zone, simply because he wants so much to please her.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Yeah man, that's one of the big things stressed by most people on this site. I think the key is that guys "pretend" to be her friend when deep down they are dying because they're not with her the way they want to be. They don't want to be just her friend, but they accept the instant demotion to just friend and that makes them bitter. Not standing for this demotion and changing it back around is key to the principles stated here. Welcome! :rockon:
 

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Thanks....I can't count the number of girls I've done this with! :cry: I've seen the signs of affection and interest in alot of girls, and women! But I just didn't know how to interpret them and act on them. So I just stayed in that Nice Guy mode. I never showed them that I was a man as well as a nice guy, so they never saw me as anything more than a friend. One I know could have been The One. Now she's just my friend, and a distant one at that. Maybe I could work my way out of the Zone with her...but I honestly don't know.

I'm interested in a girl right now...and I caught myself starting towards the offramp! But I figured it out just in time. So I'm gonna back off just a bit. Start flirting a bit more and maybe throw in a tickle or two. I seem to be an excellent flirt! Let her know I don't want friendship, but the whole darn package!
 

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No problem. I don't agree with alot that David DeAngelo says, but the one about us guys sticking together and learning from each other makes a heck of alot of sense! Lord knows the ladies do it enough!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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You dont understand DD. What you said (or made sense for yourself) is what he preaches. You put it into different words.


Any of the material, be it DD, mystery, gunwitch, etc, can not be read today and understood today. There is a learning curve, which also can be reffered to as making it work for yourself.
 
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