It's time to debunk the "female hypergamy" myth. All data show Gen Z'ers (male and female) are having less sex than previous generations. Experts sa

[quodlibet]

If you hang out on manosphere and incel forums, you frequently hear about "female hypergamy". Women of this generation are said to be racking up huge body counts and flocking to the small amount of hot Chads.

If you believe this, WAKE THE F UP. The data just don't support this. Go read any of the academic studies I've posted below. Go ask Gemini and Grok. Even the company that makes Trojan condoms confirm fewer sex is happening.

FACT: Young men and women today are having less sex than their counterparts in previous generations. This is both in frequency of sex and the number of partners.



If you believe "female hypergamy" is happening, men would be having same or less sex while women would have skyrocking way more sex and with way more partners.

I understand some people need to believe "female hypergamy" because it suits their ideology or view on women

But if you want be an intelligent fair-minded individual, you must accept facts as facts. And you shouldn't believe something just because you read about it on a forum and need to believe it. You also shouldn't rely on your personal experiences to make a sweeping statement about society.

In my opinion, this "female hypergamy" myth persists on manosphere and incel forums because a lot of men who struggle with women are neurodivergent. Being neurodivergent makes them have unusual fixations and paranoia. And one of their fixation is on "Chads" and a woman's body count.

Source:

Adults are having less sex than ever, with gen z seeing the steepest decline: Study | Institute for Family Studies

ifstudies.org

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066

The Data is Clear: People Are Having Less Sex - Edward Conard

Data from the General Social Survey show that from 2016-22, 72% of persons around the age of 25 had sex once a month, down from 80% in 1989-93.

www.edwardconard.com

Sexless America: Young Adults Are Having Less Sex

For young adult males, sexlessness has roughly doubled across all measures over the last 10 years or so. For young adult females, it has risen by roughly 50 percent.

ifstudies.org

Trojan sales down because of 'distracted' millennials, analyst says

One financial research firm just said that millennials aren't as busy in bed. And cellphones may be to blame.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Bigpapa]

Good stats

I think the drop in libido has to do with the explosion of mental health problems, and the data you showed is till 2018 and from my experience the descending trend continued till today

also I tend to feel that women under 30 are now less socialized than women in the same group were like 10-20 years ago, and their courtship skills dropped for both men and wo

funny thing is that this is what happened also in the mouse paradise

this is a copy paste from chat gpt


Males became increasingly violent, and social hierarchies collapsed into chaos with fighting over territory and status.[the-scientist]

this is what we see with the increase of hate crines


• Some males withdrew entirely, compulsively grooming themselves for hours instead of engaging socially, a group Calhoun later called “the beautiful ones”.[the-scientist +1]

Red pill or black pill movements or looksmaxing

• Females stopped building proper nests, abandoned or attacked their pups, and many failed to carry pregnancies to term.[smithsonianmag]

drop in marriage rates, increase in infertility among women, erc

• Courtship and normal mating behavior broke down; animals lost the social skills needed to reproduce even though they were physically capable.[wikipedia]

I feel this more and more happening

Even mice removed from Universe 25 and placed with “normal,” non-traumatized mice couldn’t relearn courtship, mating, or pup-rearing — Calhoun’s team described them as trapped in “an infantile state of early development”

I think we see this through the narratives that say it is cool to have the Peter Pan complex

 

[CornbreadFed]

It’s been debunked. We just have a lot of men out here copemaxing with pessimistic doomerism to make themselves feel better.

 

[Clockwerk50]

You're conflating two different questions: how much sex people are having versus who women are choosing when they do pursue relationships or sex.

Hypergamy is about mate selection and who women choose as sexual or romantic partners. The fact that young people are having less sex doesn't disprove hypergamy since hypergamy is different from the frequency of sex or the number of sexual partners. A population can become less sexually active overall while sexual and romantic attention becomes more concentrated among a smaller group of men.

Ultimately, the evidence you're providing only shows how many sexual partners people have, rates of sexlessness, and declining condom sales. Your argument doesn't actually measure women's preferences or who they are choosing.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Any data that is self reported is questionable to me...why? Because people lie all the time.

Also, are condoms sales really a valid indicator as more people are dog it, seemingly?

 

[Bigpapa]

Ultimately, the evidence you're providing only shows how many sexual partners people have, rates of sexlessness, and declining condom sales. Your argument doesn't actually measure women's preferences or who they are choosing.

The truth is that if you are a high value guy, you can not be good at seducing both high value women are meh high value women with the same game

because the game is not the same, with high value women you need to be lower in attainability and make her qualify herself and it works because she sees as her equal , while with Meh value women you need be higher in attainability to compensate the value difference otherwise she will auto-reject

now, to have a statistical significant number of guys who perfectly balance the game i think is almost impossible, unless we have a high proportion of high value guys who are also sociopaths

So I think that the most realistic hyphothethys is that either guys stay usually in their area of value, either high value guys do not tap the high value women and instead tap the meh value women

but usually from what I have seen is that usually couple are in the same band in terms of looks at least

you rarely see a high value guy talking with a meh value girl

plus, if you are a high value guy you do not really have that much time to plunge in women so you have to be quite strategical how you spend your time

 

[Bigpapa]

Any data that is self reported is questionable to me...why? Because people lie all the time.

Also, are condoms sales really a valid indicator as more people are dog it, seemingly?

if condoms sales are not really a good indicator because people go bareback more, then we should have an epidemic in stds, which I do not think is the case

if you are both wild and go bareback, it is just matter of time till you get something spread it

 

[BackInTheGame78]

if condoms sales are not really a good indicator because people go bareback more, then we should have an epidemic in stds, which I do not think is the case

if you are both wild and go bareback, it is just matter of time till you get something spread it

Have you read the news lately?

Sexually transmitted infections are reaching record highs in Europe

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[Bigpapa]

Have you read the news lately?

Sexually transmitted infections are reaching record highs in Europe

www.cidrap.umn.edu

From the article :

The increases are being seen disproportionately in men who have sex with men (MSM). Gonorrhea and syphilis cases have risen by 221% and 65%, respectively, in MSM since 2015, mostly among younger MSM. But data also show that, since 2021, reported syphilis cases have shown sustained increases in heterosexual men and women.

just sustain increase for heterosexuals, which is kinda far away from an epidemic that we should have seen if indeed people had more sex without a condom

more cases can also just mean that the population is increasing , so ofc more infections will happen

 

[Solomon]

You're conflating two different questions: how much sex people are having versus who women are choosing when they do pursue relationships or sex.

Hypergamy is about mate selection and who women choose as sexual or romantic partners. The fact that young people are having less sex doesn't disprove hypergamy since hypergamy is different from the frequency of sex or the number of sexual partners. A population can become less sexually active overall while sexual and romantic attention becomes more concentrated among a smaller group of men.

Ultimately, the evidence you're providing only shows how many sexual partners people have, rates of sexlessness, and declining condom sales. Your argument doesn't actually measure women's preferences or who they are choosing.

This argument is 100% spot on; nothing to add but that hypergamy and sex frequency have nothing to do with each other. There is a Hobosexual in your town right now who has main girlfriend and 5 sidechicks (plates) getting more coochie than he knows what to do with. I have noticed this phenomenon talking and dealing with Gen-Z chicks

https://archive.is/n9E2E

This article just came out a month ago, and kind of delves deeper into what I'm saying

 

[CornbreadFed]

There is a Hobosexual in your town right now who has main girlfriend and 5 sidechicks (plates) getting more coochie than he knows what to do with. I have noticed this phenomenon talking and dealing with Gen-Z chicks

 

[Slowhandluke]

you rarely see a high value guy talking with a meh value girl

True

When she thinks she’s a girlfriend #shorts

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Arnold had sex with his maid...and nobody really knew about it for the longest time. Not even his wife. I think he was even governor at the time. high value men usually hide their side girls.... and women want to down play their body count.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Arnold had sex with his maid...and nobody really knew about it for the longest time. Not even his wife. I think he was even governor at the time. high value men usually hide their side girls.... and women want to down play their body count.

Fvcking your maid that cleans your house regularly is a whole lot different than prospecting women at the local McDonald's.

 

[Bigpapa]

True

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Arnold had sex with his maid...and nobody really knew about it for the longest time. Not even his wife. I think he was even governor at the time. high value men usually hide their side girls.... and women want to down play their body count.

ofc his wife did not knew, but his friends knew for sure

most likely his wife suspected also

 

[Clockwerk50]

True

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Arnold had sex with his maid...and nobody really knew about it for the longest time. Not even his wife. I think he was even governor at the time. high value men usually hide their side girls.... and women want to down play their body count.

I think people need to stop using the term "high value" as an arbitrary SMV number to represent attractiveness. High value, in my perspective, means having strong ethical values like integrity, honour, honesty, loyalty, responsibility, and principles, while SMV refers more to things like looks, status, money, personality, and other traits that affect someone's desirability. A low-value man can have high SMV, while a high-value man can have low SMV.

As in your example, a high-value man wouldn't cheat on his girlfriend. Arnold having a high SMV doesn't automatically make him a high-value man.

 

[The Duke]

From the article :

The increases are being seen disproportionately in men who have sex with men (MSM). Gonorrhea and syphilis cases have risen by 221% and 65%, respectively, in MSM since 2015, mostly among younger MSM. But data also show that, since 2021, reported syphilis cases have shown sustained increases in heterosexual men and women.

just sustain increase for heterosexuals, which is kinda far away from an epidemic that we should have seen if indeed people had more sex without a condom

more cases can also just mean that the population is increasing , so ofc more infections will happen

Common sense tells me the population didn't increase 221% nor 65% to match the increase in std's. A wider array of sexual partners would do that.

But go ahead an break that out to per capita if you need to.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I think people need to stop using the term "high value" as an arbitrary SMV number to represent attractiveness. High value, in my perspective, means having strong ethical values like integrity, honour, honesty, loyalty, responsibility, and principles, while SMV refers more to things like looks, status, money, personality, and other traits that affect someone's desirability. A low-value man can have high SMV, while a high-value man can have low SMV.

As in your example, a high-value man wouldn't cheat on his girlfriend. Arnold having a high SMV doesn't automatically make him a high-value man.

The only thing that matters is what women think of you.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Fvcking your maid that cleans your house regularly is a whole lot different than prospecting women at the local McDonald's.

Is it? How different is it to seduce the maid (or did the maid seduce him?) as compared to a McDonalds chick?

ofc his wife did not knew, but his friends knew for sure

most likely his wife suspected also

For all the men that cheated and all the women that let the men cheat, did they self report themselves correctly to the research scientists during the surveys and polls?

I think people need to stop using the term "high value" as an arbitrary SMV number to represent attractiveness. High value, in my perspective, means having strong ethical values like integrity, honour, honesty, loyalty, responsibility, and principles, while SMV refers more to things like looks, status, money, personality, and other traits that affect someone's desirability. A low-value man can have high SMV, while a high-value man can have low SMV.

As in your example, a high-value man wouldn't cheat on his girlfriend. Arnold having a high SMV doesn't automatically make him a high-value man.

I heard women like dark triads... I could be wrong.. but i guess it is neither here or there.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Is it? How different is it to seduce the maid (or did the maid seduce him?) as compared to a McDonalds chick?

The maid is at my house and already has an established foundational relationship with me, while the McDonalds chick does not know me and I have to build everything from the ground up. In addition, the maid is probably making a lot more money.

 

[Bigpapa]

Common sense tells me the population didn't increase 221% nor 65% to match the increase in std's. A wider array of sexual partners would do that.

But go ahead an break that out to per capita if you need to.

those high increases were in the man like man category