It is insane how much height will influence your dating as a man

[characternote]

Height is a part of 'looks', basically. Which is of course almost everything when it comes to success from cold approach (i.e her requirement to be attracted to you on sight)

I grew up thinking height wasn't important, but I was kind of wrong. I had that opinion because my wingman of many years was an absolute giga chad who could bang just about any girl he wanted. Many pretty young girls throwing themselves at/approaching him every time we hit the bars and clubs etc. All he had to do was not be sick on himself and he could get them home. He'd never heard of 'game' and tbh, I wouldn't even say he had much 'natrual game'. I mean, he wasn't super charismatic or especially confident etc. But if he spoke too a girl, it was on. She'd be firing off IOI's and escalating etc. All of that despite being a short ass! BUT he was blessed with male model good looks facially. And it was enough. If he didn't have that face card he'd probably struggle big time! Nights out would be a different world. And if he wasn't quite so handsome but was 6ft 4, he'd still do pretty damn well, i'd imagine

 

[Sega Genesis]

It baffles me why so many of y'all discount a man's masculine energy and presence and instead insist that it's his face and/or height that attract women..

It does not take a man being 6'+ or having model good looks to have strong masculine energy and a dominant presence.

What is necessary is that he be attractive to her which entails lots of things combined to make the whole and complete man.

Not saying there aren't those women who go strictly on looks (status/money) and perhaps these are the only women you're meeting or you're tone deaf as to what truly attracts high-value attractive women who aren't shallow gold-digging hoes?

The argument gets old tbh and might explain the disconnect and why some of you guys struggle?

Women are multi-dimensional; different things attract different women and often times it's just a "feeling" governed by her emotions.

Some of you keep wanting to turn women into men --> women chase, women lead (see @Smartone84 thread) a woman's attraction is the same as a man's (visually-oriented) etc

It's not the same. Not for all or even most IME.

Apologies for the semi-rant but it's something I've been thinking about and wanting to say... so just sayin it.

Carry on.

 

[Velasco]

truly attracts high-value attractive women?

i get with high value attractive women lol. maybe the disconnect is that your older and don’t value looks as much anymore as ur typical hot 18 year old girl does.

 

[Sega Genesis]

i get with high value attractive women lol. maybe the disconnect is that your older and don’t value looks as much anymore as ur typical hot 18 year old girl does.

What attracts me has not changed from when I was 18 years old. It's not my age, it's my nature and energy (feminine).

Yes that's me but true for other high-value feminine women as well IME.

 

[characternote]

Carry on.

The very pretty girls (typically young) I encounter don't give a sh1t about ones 'masculine energy' or 'dominant presence' if he's not her type. I'm talking specifically from cold approach where girls are just as 'visual' as I am lol (And I don't blame them for that. That would be hypocritical of me). He's dead in the water within seconds if that attraction isn't there.

 

[Sega Genesis]

The very pretty girls I encounter don't give a sh1t about ones 'masculine energy' or 'dominant presence' if he's not her type. I'm talking specifically from cold approach where girls are just as 'visual' as I am lol (And I don't blame them for that. That would be hypocritical of me)

^^I don't discount your experience but out of curiosity do they tell you this?

That what attracted them was your looks and not your energy/physical presence?

I mean how would you know?

As I said looks/appearance are important... for me certainly!

However I have been approached by very physically attractive men, I have been asked out by models when living and working in NYC in my early 20s and I was not interested in them because they had the energy (and personality) of a fly. Lol

 

[characternote]

I don't discount your experience but out of curiosity do they tell you this?

That what attracted them was your looks and not your energy/physical presence?

Many of the girls i've banged told me (usually in my 'after sex de-brief' that I used to make a habit of) that they'd noticed me earlier in the night and wanted me too approach them or some other variation of thinking I was hot.
I'm sure some might have said something else, but with them girls, they were so receptive to me the second I said 'hi' that I knew I had a shot with them, and at that point I hadn't had a chance to really say or do anything! So even without them confirming it in the de-brief, I think I know what the reason was

And it's not as though my energy/presence is super variable - But I will still get brutal, instant rejections from girls too! (the girls who are not physically attracted to me at all). I didn't pull the girls I pulled because I was especially 'masculine' in my presence that night. Or rejected only because my energy on them approaches wasn't 'masculine' etc. It's simpler than that. I pulled the girls who thought I was hot adn got shot down by the ones who didn't

I've got some very 'masculine' friends and admittidely some of them do OK, but it's not even close to teh results my (two) chad friends i've had in my life experience (I've spoken about one of them a lot on here. Barely mentioned the other one. He's basically as handsome, BUT he is also blessed with like 6ft 4 height. Triple threat)

I've approached thousands of girls, and been out with community guys and seen so much, and I couldn't ever be convinced otherwise at this point. Not to completely downplay personality (I still say 'game' matters too an extent), but with cold approach specifically (and maybe moreso towards girls on the younger side? and at night? as that's where all of my experience is) then her thinking you are good looking is huge. And her thinking you are not good looking is game over

 

[Sega Genesis]

her thinking you are good looking is huge. And her thinking you are not good looking is game over

May sound odd given what I just posted but I agree with this^^.

A man must be good looking to me too! All I'm saying is there is more to being considered "good looking" than just his face or height.

It's everything combined to make the whole and complete man and his energy/presence is a big part of that IME.

Don't downplay your energy and presence.

These women you've banged? Can almost guarantee if you did not have a strong masculine physical presence and good positive masculine energy, the banging would not have happened.

JMO.

 

[Velasco]

and at night? as that's where all of my experience is)

not a nighttime phenomenon. i’ve slept with customers and girls i work with too for the same reason.

 

[characternote]

not a nighttime phenomenon. i’ve slept with customers and girls i work with too for the same reason.

For sure. I just mean that I only tend to post about which I have a tonne of experience in. Night game cold approach in the UK, specifically!

 

[Velasco]

Can almost guarantee if you did not have a stong masculine physical presence and good positive masculine energy, the banging would not have happened

a feminine 6’4 pretty boy will outslay a 5’5 average looking guy with strong masculine energy. not that the 5’5 will never get laid. I know people always like to use contrarian examples of that one guy they know who still gets play despite his looks and stature

 

[Sega Genesis]

A feminine 6’4 pretty boy...

For me, ick^^ no thanks. But yeah ok I'm just one girl and I like masculine men!

Of course there are women who will go for that... again it's all subjective.

I didn't mean to suggest otherwise and my last post was to @characternote who does not strike me as being a "feminine pretty boy" in any way, shape or form.

 

[zekko]

Height is a part of 'looks', basically. Which is of course almost everything when it comes to success from cold approach (i.e her requirement to be attracted to you on sight)

I don't quite understand this, but I've always thought that mens clothes probably look better on guys who are tall also. It's just a more dapper look, for whatever reason.

 

[Velasco]

I'm just one girl and I like masculine men!

lol i wasn’t talking about you. outslay. meaning you put both these guys in the same environment surrounded by pretty girls for a year (new girls added every week) and then ask how many girls they slept with. one would outslay the other.

 

[Tilex]

 

[Snag87]

Height is very important, but it doesn’t supersede facial attractiveness. I’d rather be 5’6” with a 90th percentile face than 6’2” with a 30th percentile face. However, I’d rather be 6’2” with a 45th percentile face than 5’6” with a 65th percentile face.

 

[Snag87]

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That’s more how they visualize height. Let’s say a 5.3” woman has to interact with two men, one who is 5’11” and the other 6’0”. There’d be little difference in height-related attraction. However, if she were told their heights prior to meeting them, that would likely lead to a different outcome.

 

[Hal9000]

Being tall definitely helps but theres a lot more to it. I'm 6'3" and when I was socially awkward around women, not in great shape, dressed terribly, etc I had absolutely zero success with women. However once those issues were addressed it turned around for me and, while I'm sure being tall helped, it was all the other controllable things that ultimately got me into a good place with women.

 

[characternote]

Height is very important, but it doesn’t supersede facial attractiveness. I’d rather be 5’6” with a 90th percentile face than 6’2” with a 30th percentile face. However, I’d rather be 6’2” with a 45th percentile face than 5’6” with a 65th percentile face.

Same. I'd choose a very good looking face over being tall.

Being tall definitely helps but theres a lot more to it. I'm 6'3" and when I was socially awkward around women, not in great shape, dressed terribly, etc I had absolutely zero success with women. However once those issues were addressed it turned around for me and, while I'm sure being tall helped, it was all the other controllable things that ultimately got me into a good place with women.

Interestingly, the only legit 'incel' in my friend group (and i'm talking more the original sense of the word which was a lifelong involuntary virgin) is a tall guy. About 6ft 3. He's also incredibly funny. Great sense of humour. Which on paper you'd think would have got him at least some results. But he's just not on girls radars. I think he'd be an interesting case study, tbh! lol. His face is 'average'. Not too bad at all really. His dress sense is quite poor. As is his general self care. He's somewhat 'awkward' around girls maybe? But that would probably more be 'his' assessment as opposed to other peoples, as he can also come across as kind of confident in general. He's a very very smart guy, too. Masters Degrees etc from good university.

So yeah, i'd say height on it's own isn't much. It's a part of looks, but a much bigger part of looks is your face, tbh. In my experience, at least. I think that's way more powerful on it's own.

 

[Plinco]

Same. I'd choose a very good looking face over being tall.



Interestingly, the only legit 'incel' in my friend group (and i'm talking more the original sense of the word which was a lifelong involuntary virgin) is a tall guy. About 6ft 3. He's also incredibly funny. Great sense of humour. Which on paper you'd think would have got him at least some results. But he's just not on girls radars. I think he'd be an interesting case study, tbh! lol. His face is 'average'. Not too bad at all really. His dress sense is quite poor. As is his general self care. He's somewhat 'awkward' around girls maybe? But that would probably more be 'his' assessment as opposed to other peoples, as he can also come across as kind of confident in general. He's a very very smart guy, too. Masters Degrees etc from good university.

So yeah, i'd say height on it's own isn't much. It's a part of looks, but a much bigger part of looks is your face, tbh. In my experience, at least. I think that's way more powerful on it's own.

So then I would ask, how much does his emotional state affect the way he looks. I suspect that has a lot to do with it, and goes along with my experience as well.