Is this how easy it was in the 80's?

[samspade]

Why not take a back in time trip

Plutonium ain't cheap!

 

[Jack12345]

Plutonium ain't cheap!

Way cheaper at the 80's as well

 

[samspade]

Yeah, because 80s movies weren't surreal, at all. LOL.

it just occurred to me that everything most of the guys here know about the 80s was "learned" from Hollywood.

Could be. I grew up in the 80s, but I hated them and still do, mostly. But to be fair a lot of the good stuff is far beneath the surface of what was popular. By far the worst part was the androgyny...women looked terrible back then.

 

[Jack12345]

By far the worst part was the androgyny...women looked terrible back then.

Isnt the 80's were the time that feminism turned terrible wrong? Beside MTV I dont have a direct evidence, just feels like this.

Ironically this was the era scarface came out

 

[SW15]

2004 through 2011 were pretty epic though. Sharp drop off after 2012, the end of the Mayan Calendar lol.

While I was said some positive things about the 2004-06 era earlier in this thread, I don't think it should be regarded as a great time. It was certainly better than now, but the dating environment then wasn't a bowl of cherries. Since I was born in the early 1980s, I didn't get to date in the 1980s so I don't know how good it was. The environment just keeps getting worse.

Another thing i remember. The feminist movement had a big surge when hillary was the 1rst lady. She was rumored to be a carpet muncher.
The 90s werent that bad but alot of bad **** was rooting then. And now you see it.

A lot of the bad stuff that we see now has its roots in the 1990s. Also the Millennials that have been the primary young adult group dating since ~2010, had their formative years in the 1990s. The school systems in the 1990s while Millennials were in the formative years were becoming a mess. Schools had lost their ways in terms of discipline. A lot of Baby Boomers were divorcing in the 1990s, setting bad examples for their young Millennial children then. Millennials who had messed up formative years in the 1990s/early 2000s, became dating adults in the 2000s and 2010s. When this is combined with technology and the economic plagues that occurred, this explains the bad mating environment in the Millennial cohort. Millennials are having less sex, consuming more porn, having fewer LTRs, fewer marriages, and fewer children. Wait a few years in the 2020s when you have a bunch of childless 40 year old Millennials.

On an unrelated note, every time that I take a casual walk outside and seeing women walking or running with the earbuds in, I think about how mating opportunities are missed. Even when their earbuds aren't in, their heads are often down and they are playing with their phones. They just aren't receptive to approaches. What I just described didn't happen in the mid-2000s or 1980s. Also, more single women have dogs now than in the past. While out walking the dog, the dog can sometimes detract attention from an approach or make it more difficult to actually do an approach because the woman will be preoccupied with her dog's needs.

 

[MatureDJ]

It turns out my wifes estranged father (a 5"3 ginger manlet) has children from different women all over the country

I am struggling to see this in 2020. 5"3 ginger manlets would be lucky to bang even one landwhale today

Yet my wife's mother was rather attractive judging by old photographs and he managed to knock her up and many others too

Pre-Tinder sounds like easy mode

I think things started to get bad for folks that born after 1960. That said, the early 90s were still fairly decent, but the nightclub scene was in the toilet by then, with a little bit of a reprieve when Country had a renaissance. I had had some success at Catholic single dances then, although decent childless, under-30 women were rare - but seemed to dry up by 1996 when the internet got going. I dipped my toes into OLD about then - and seeing the cattle ranch that that was in the USA, I noticed how different it was in Eastern Europe, and have concentrated there ever since.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

This was before Craigslist, so just imagine a daily newspaper version of Craigslist.

I’ve seen those before lmao some of them are WILD with what they say. They used those newspapers in my bio class to use as a protective layer for an experiment we had (so that the tables wouldn’t get too wet/dirty) and we read them before class just in passing and we’re like wtf

 

[Bible_Belt]

Early 2000s weren't bad either but getting worse. Thank God Rollo came along and could write the way he did about the dynamics at play here.
The guy is way smarter then most men i know other then the couple of naturals i knew in the past. And i mean 2. Because they don't happen often.

He took free information from this web site and sold it in book form. That was pretty smart.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

A small town girl in the 80s would never have had anything close to that, yet these puas try to convince u women have stayed the same.

The essence of women from back then and now is still the same. It’s just that the uphill battle has gotten steeper. But don’t think women weren’t hoes back in the day, they definitely were. Check out this post by an older member of ours:

My grandmother told me about how when she was a teenager during the depression, migrant workers throughout the country would ride into Kansas during harvest.

Girls and especially farmers wives would sleep with them. If a young girl got pregnant, she would go sleep with a farm boy she knew liked her and then claim pregnancy. Naturally the honorable farm boy would marry her.

If one of the married ones got pregnant, they would just pass the kid off as her husbands. There was no DNA test back then.

Here is the quote:

My grandmother told me about how when she was a teenager during the depression, migrant workers throughout the country would ride into Kansas during harvest.

Girls and especially farmers wives would sleep with them. If a young girl got pregnant, she would go sleep with a farm boy she knew liked her and then claim pregnancy. Naturally the honorable farm boy would marry her.

If one of the married ones got pregnant, they would just pass the kid off as her husbands. There was no DNA test back then.

This has been going on forever. No, just because it’s present time and there’s less of a penalty doesn’t make it any different between then and now. The whole subject has been a lie long before your great great grandparents.

My wife and her wandering eyes

One of the biggest lies that men fall for. A religious woman. I would broach the truth of this lie but you won’t listen. Having been married I will agree with your statement. Women are emotional and will only follow their emotions. Religion helps to regulate them to an extent but in the...

www.sosuave.net

He’s full of **** in terms of a lot of his “facts” (cuckoldry/paternity fraud isn’t nearly as common as he says for example), but this anecdote is still mindblowing nonetheless because it shits on the concept that small-town girls are better than city folk, and that women were better overall back then. It’s even more interesting how his grandma, a WOMAN from a more reserved era, would admit this to him. Like it must’ve seriously been a common occurrence if his grandma would tell him this. Talk about an atomic redpill...

 

[samspade]

You're talking about Hollywood, again. I never watched TV, and saw very few movies from that time period. I was too busy. I do recall the MTV androgenous craze, though, and rarely ever saw anyone who looked like that, in reality.

Regarding women I just mean in general, the way women dressed and looked. Blazers with shoulder pads, large framed glasses, short hair. Or if it was something frilly like a blouse it covered her neck and arms. Stupid decade.

 

[sangheilios]

28% of men ages 18-29 had no sex in 2018. 28% of men do not suffer from lack of personal hygiene and clear mental problems. Among 18-29 year olds in 2018, I bet that number would go to 40% or so if you included men who had sex on 15 days or less in 2018, which is around once or month or less. 18-29 year olds are supposed to be men in their primes.

I've said this before on here, a significant percentage of men are not getting any, the only reason it may not be obvious from face value is because this isn't something that people are open about. Like you said, 28% of men would not in a more normal environment be deemed undateable by women.

I'm 30, around 6'4"and workout regularly, very fit athletic body and I haven't been on a real date in over a year. I'm one of the fittest people I see at the gym, disregarding the steroid users who wouldn't be anything like that naturally. Throughout my day to day life it is rare for me to see someone else who is around my league physically, they exist but in the real world it is rare. A guy like me is clearly above average but yet I rarely date.

Before I posted on here and made an effort to pay attention to other men around my age I thought I was an outlier, now I'm finding out that there are tons of single men in a similar situation to me.

I can confirm. I'll share some 2003-2006 experiences.

In 2004, I turned 21. About 2 weeks before turning 21, I broke it off with a woman who had some personality defects. I can confirm that in 2004, women were more receptive to bar approaches. There was this one place I went that had a big dance floor. In those days, you could approach a woman on the dance floor, rub your crotch into her crotch on the dance floor facing her or sometimes from behind after she's seen your face, get a makeout on the dance floor, escalate throughout the night, go back to someone's place and have sex. While this happened to me in the mid-2000s, it never once happened to me in the 2010s. I also didn't go to a lot of those types of places in the 2010s because fewer of them existed.

At bars without dance floors in 2004-06, you were more likely to get a woman's undivided attention since her cell phone then was rather basic and mostly good for phone calls. There was not much texting. There were no smartphones, therefore there were no apps. More women were in the moment.

Dating websites were fairly mainstream in 2003-06. Match.com launched in 1995 and was well established by then. Same could be said for eHarmony. OkCupid started in 2004, and PlentyofFish was around then. Women still were getting messaged a lot online, but even that got worse by 2008-2012.

In like 2004-05, it was possible to message a woman on MySpace and set up a date. If you were in college in 2004-05, you could do some early Facebook stalking and come up with something.

Because of less technology in general, people were more present when you met them in person, whether you met them at a bar, through a mutual social group, out walking/hiking, etc. I did not do as much day game in 2003-06 era as in the 2010s, so I can't really compare. Night game was a big avenue for me in the mid-2000s.

First dates were also better in the mid-2000s. Since women were pursued less (fewer were using dating websites, which weren't as bad as apps would later become), they didn't have sky high expectations for every first date. The threshold for getting a 2nd date was lower in the mid-2000s than it would be by the 2nd half of the 2010s. The same date in 2005 as compared to 2018 would have different outcomes. A reasonably good date in 2005 would get you a 2nd date in 2005. A date that was reasonably good but fell short of all the magical rainbows and unicorns would get you a ghosting or a candy asssed text message of "I had a good time but I do not see this going anywhere" by the second half of the 2010s.



I've sometimes been surprised about men and approaching. I've approached women at fitness classes on and off for nearly a decade and seen very few men do that. I've rarely observed other men doing grocery store approaches like I've done over the years. I'm 37, so I'm in that under 40 group. Approaching strangers in public is somewhat of a fading art in the Millennial (1982-1996) generation. I don't see it rebounding much, if at all, with Gen Z (1997-early 2010s). The oldest Gen Z's are now eligible to go to bars and are now dating as adults.

Whenever I've been out to bars and clubs it's crazy to see these groups of women huddled together and yet literally have their face glued to the screens of their phones. I'm a little older at 30 but women I've seen in their early to mid 20s seem to have a severe issue with this, it's like why the hell are you even going out if you are just going to stare at your phone.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The essence of women from back then and now is still the same. It’s just that the uphill battle has gotten steeper. But don’t think women weren’t hoes back in the day, they definitely were. Check out this post by an older member of ours:

My grandmother told me about how when she was a teenager during the depression, migrant workers throughout the country would ride into Kansas during harvest.

Girls and especially farmers wives would sleep with them. If a young girl got pregnant, she would go sleep with a farm boy she knew liked her and then claim pregnancy. Naturally the honorable farm boy would marry her.

If one of the married ones got pregnant, they would just pass the kid off as her husbands. There was no DNA test back then.

Here is the quote:

My wife and her wandering eyes

One of the biggest lies that men fall for. A religious woman. I would broach the truth of this lie but you won’t listen. Having been married I will agree with your statement. Women are emotional and will only follow their emotions. Religion helps to regulate them to an extent but in the...

www.sosuave.net

He’s full of **** in terms of a lot of his “facts” (cuckoldry/paternity fraud isn’t nearly as common as he says for example), but this anecdote is still mindblowing nonetheless because it shits on the concept that small-town girls are better than city folk, and that women were better overall back then. It’s even more interesting how his grandma, a WOMAN from a more reserved era, would admit this to him. Like it must’ve seriously been a common occurrence if his grandma would tell him this. Talk about an atomic redpill...

They complained about hoez before Christ. Look at this verse Sarachi ( ecclesiastes ) 26:11-12.

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10Keep a strict watch over an unruly wife,
lest, finding an opportunity, she use it;c

11Watch out for her impudent eye,

and do not be surprised if she betrays you:

12As a thirsty traveler opens his mouth

and drinks from any water nearby,

So she sits down before every tent peg

and opens her quiver for every arrow.

13A gracious wife delights her husband;

her thoughtfulness puts flesh on his bones.
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Sit's before every tent and allows each arrow into her quiver like a thirsty traveler, she let EVERONE hit it.

Sirach, CHAPTER 26

Daily Bible Readings, Podcast Audio and Videos and Prayers brought to you by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

www.usccb.org

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You're talking about Hollywood, again. I never watched TV, and saw very few movies from that time period. I was too busy. I do recall the MTV androgenous craze, though, and rarely ever saw anyone who looked like that, in reality.

Do you think it was an attempt at "programming"?

 

[Medina]

My grandmother told me about how when she was a teenager during the depression, migrant workers throughout the country would ride into Kansas during harvest.

Girls and especially farmers wives would sleep with them. If a young girl got pregnant, she would go sleep with a farm boy she knew liked her and then claim pregnancy. Naturally the honorable farm boy would marry her.

If one of the married ones got pregnant, they would just pass the kid off as her husbands. There was no DNA test back then.

Here is the quote:

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I've got an older story, from 1899. The women in my ancestry used to wait at the shipping docks and snag up all the sailors as they got off the boats

They would make themselves look real nice and wait for hours for them to port. Many people are directly descended from this very act

Kinda proves that women's behaviour has always been the "chaser", especially with men they viewed as the most exciting, masculine and aloof

Sailors in the 1800's would have been the closest thing they had to rockstars

 

[mrgoodstuff]

They complained about hoez before Christ. Look at this verse Sarachi ( ecclesiastes ) 26:11-12.

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10Keep a strict watch over an unruly wife,
lest, finding an opportunity, she use it;c

11Watch out for her impudent eye,

and do not be surprised if she betrays you:

12As a thirsty traveler opens his mouth

and drinks from any water nearby,

So she sits down before every tent peg

and opens her quiver for every arrow.

13A gracious wife delights her husband;

her thoughtfulness puts flesh on his bones.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Sit's before every tent and allows each arrow into her quiver like a thirsty traveler, she let EVERONE hit it.

Sirach, CHAPTER 26

Daily Bible Readings, Podcast Audio and Videos and Prayers brought to you by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

www.usccb.org

Sarach 26:* shows the "good" and the "bad". It's not all bad... Look at sarach 26:13 "A gracius wife delights her husband; her thoughtfulness puts flesh on his bones". It means her loving you, being in your corner and seeing the good in you, amplifies and grows you. So there is power in pairing with a woman who submits to you and wants to see you win.

 

[Lookatu]

I think it's important to know genetic female human traits/behavior vs. learned/societal programmed ones. The learned/societal programmed ones will always change over time but the genetic ones will not. They are both directly and indirectly related to each other and affect each other. The guy that knows how to take away or get the gal to revert to the genetic trait/behavior while getting them to overlook or ignore the learned/programmed ones will be one step ahead.

We talk about 80's being easy because primarily lack of technology and hardcore feminism. This to me once again falls into the learned/societal programmed bucket. I still believe females have a genetic base trait/behavior component to them. It is just harder now to isolate that in them and get them to feel that due to the technology, feminism, different movements, etc. that provides an even strong barrier. Obviously the guys that really know how to tap into this will still succeed but a strong uphill battle for the rest.

Maybe I'm just rambling but just thinking out loud and thinking how many others share this view?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I think it's important to know genetic female human traits/behavior vs. learned/societal programmed ones. The learned/societal programmed ones will always change over time but the genetic ones will not. They are both directly and indirectly related to each other and affect each other. The guy that knows how to take away or get the gal to revert to the genetic trait/behavior while getting them to overlook or ignore the learned/programmed ones will be one step ahead.

We talk about 80's being easy because primarily lack of technology and hardcore feminism. This to me once again falls into the learned/societal programmed bucket. I still believe females have a genetic base trait/behavior component to them. It is just harder now to isolate that in them and get them to feel that due to the technology, feminism, different movements, etc. that provides an even strong barrier. Obviously the guys that really know how to tap into this will still succeed but a strong uphill battle for the rest.

Maybe I'm just rambling but just thinking out loud and thinking how many others share this view?

Very good.

 

[Dash Riprock]

I do recall the MTV androgenous craze, though, and rarely ever saw anyone who looked like that, in reality.

This is true. Chicks in the 80's were hot af. Not the bubble butt fake boobs princesses you have today. No "plus size" models, lol. Obesity rate was much lower which means fat people were less common. Go look at some pics of clubs, parties, women back then. People are in much better shape then vs. now. Much more athletic and lean. Guys included. If your thing is BBW, today is your hay day.

Hottest chicks from the 80's: Tawny Kitaen, Kim Basinger, Demi Moore, Bo Derek, Cindy Crawford, many more. Look 'em up their prime.

I honestly don't remember feminism being a huge deal or movement back then. It was in the 1970's with the ERA.

 

[Dash Riprock]

That's because those guys were mostly all classically trained musicians, not garage band monkeys, mimicking the radio top 40. What passes for music, today, is derivative garbage....samples of samples of samples...

Good post but I'll have to disagree with you on the classically trained part. Most all the metal bands of the 80's had rough starts and DID start in someones garage; Aerosmith in Boston, Dokken/Ratt/Motley Crue/GNR/Metallica in LA, Cinderella in Philly, Bon Jovi and Skid Row in NJ. Some of the guys did have some training. I think James Hetfield, Joe Perry, and Nikki Sixx had some, but most guys were dropouts and rebellious teens all with bad home lifes working s*hit jobs. They will say that music saved them. Sebastian Bach of Skid Row played the lead in Phantom of the Opera on Broadway in NY for an entire run in early 2000's.

 

[Spaz]

The 80's rocked--literally. Not nearly as many soy boys and hyper-sensitive girly "men" that are commonplace now.

No dating apps meant if you wanted a date you had to physically approach a girl and ask her out, I doubt 5% of men today under 40 could pull it off having become so over-reliant on technology and lacking social skills and balls. Not trying to be mean, but I've lived and dated in both eras and it's the truth.

Honestly not sure if it was "easier" to date back then as you had less to choose from (no apps) and the women you cold or even warm approached may be in LTRs or even married. You never knew until you tried. But the spoils went to the charismatic, engaging, and confident guy. No one could hide behind their phone or PC. So maybe 5'3 ginger man OP is talking about actually had some game. I did know guys in the 80's and 90's that were short and unattractive that still did ok because they had balls and game.

I'll add the rock/metal music of the 80's will never be duplicated and much of it is revered today: Metallica, GNR, Motley Crue, Dokken, Bon Jovi, Ratt, Judas Priest, Ozzy, Aerosmith, Cinderella, etc., etc. Lots of well-known pop stars but hip hop and rap were barely on the map.

Back then, we all knew how to dance, have adventures and basically enjoyed life.

The young men nowadays are so busy clicking on their apps, trying to get laid virtually but when out on a date, they no nothing at all since they're aren't adventurous nor are they fun.

They're just too busy complaining, just like a chick.

Imagine, being a woman, dating another woman in a man's body.