"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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is this good DHV?

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so girl has been obvi checking me out for weeks now, but i havent really been motivatd to do anything about it... but im a bit more curious now. we've been communicating over email because she needs some notes for a class, but she doesnt know what my name is (and i only know im talking to her because i facebook-stalked). meeting to give her the notes next week, planning something like...

Me: Wait... you're Charlotte?
Charlotte: Yeah, why?
Me: You've been checking me out for like five weeks now.

i think it's a good DHV move, but i also feel like there's some unspoken rule about how we shouldnt comment on a girl's making obvious signs...
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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i wouldn't use it personally

what type of response do you expect to get from it?

btw, what PU material have you studied and how have you improved yourself?
 

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ive read d'angelo's double your dating twice and hte book of pook.

eh she probably knwos who i am. she's showering me with compliments over email. who deos that?

edit: probably someoen who's reciving help from someone else. but im pretty sure she knwos who i am. she tried talking to me when i had a nametag on once... but i just wasnt that interested at the time so i dropped the convo and went about my business
 

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hopelessguy said:
ive read d'angelo's double your dating twice and hte book of pook.

eh she probably knwos who i am. she's showering me with compliments over email. who deos that?

edit: probably someoen who's reciving help from someone else. but im pretty sure she knwos who i am. she tried talking to me when i had a nametag on once... but i just wasnt that interested at the time so i dropped the convo and went about my business
cool bro

no hate but honestly, right now and a lot of the threads I've seem from you seem to be really basic or even backwards stuff that you should either be able to figure out yourself or know from experience if it would work or not

what do you think needs to happen for you to get to the point where you trust yourself enough to go for what you want with women? what skill or belief would you need to have to have a very good idea of what would work and what wouldn't without needing to check with anyone? what's the one or two things holding you back from being great with women?

let me know and I can probably help you breakthrough to get where you want to be
 

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what do you think needs to happen for you to get to the point where you trust yourself enough to go for what you want with women? what skill or belief would you need to have to have a very good idea of what would work and what wouldn't without needing to check with anyone? what's the one or two things holding you back from being great with women?
After much soul-searching, my biggest problem is that I have trouble thinking of myself as the prize. It's hard for me to imagine that someone's interested in me (I have plenty of friends so Im not a loser or anything). I feel like I'm always pursuing and am never being pursued. I can't conceptualize that a girl might be thinking about me right now.

it's not a self-esteem issue though. i go to harvard law, have a corporate law job lined up. i know im good looking. im cultured, confident, etc. etc.

I guess the big adjective lacking from that paragraph is "sexual." I guess I have a hard time viewing myself as a sexual person and always feel like a creep whenever i try to be one. a few weeks ago i was making a move on someone, she rejected my advances. i didnt feel down because she rejected me. i felt down because i felt like i stooped to a new low.

So im focusing on the dhv thing. thinking as if everyone wants me. letting myself understand that im the prize and that a girl has to earn my favor. i think i can carry it if i have some more sexual confidence in myself.

i know what you're thinking: any guy who says is confident cannot possibly evaluate himself in that way. well i get a lot of compliments because of my confidence. i got my job because of my charisma/confidence. girls who've hooked up with me (but later dumped me) said they were drawn to my confidence.

but i guess im so riddled with self-doubt, it's hard for me to have sexual/romantic confidence. im getting more daring. but im taking really slow baby steps.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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hopelessguy said:
After much soul-searching, my biggest problem is that I have trouble thinking of myself as the prize. It's hard for me to imagine that someone's interested in me (I have plenty of friends so Im not a loser or anything). I feel like I'm always pursuing and am never being pursued. I can't conceptualize that a girl might be thinking about me right now.

it's not a self-esteem issue though. i go to harvard law, have a corporate law job lined up. i know im good looking. im cultured, confident, etc. etc.

I guess the big adjective lacking from that paragraph is "sexual." I guess I have a hard time viewing myself as a sexual person and always feel like a creep whenever i try to be one. a few weeks ago i was making a move on someone, she rejected my advances. i didnt feel down because she rejected me. i felt down because i felt like i stooped to a new low.

So im focusing on the dhv thing. thinking as if everyone wants me. letting myself understand that im the prize and that a girl has to earn my favor. i think i can carry it if i have some more sexual confidence in myself.

i know what you're thinking: any guy who says is confident cannot possibly evaluate himself in that way. well i get a lot of compliments because of my confidence. i got my job because of my charisma/confidence. girls who've hooked up with me (but later dumped me) said they were drawn to my confidence.

but i guess im so riddled with self-doubt, it's hard for me to have sexual/romantic confidence. im getting more daring. but im taking really slow baby steps.
that's interesting bro

have you had many good (sexual) relationships with women before?
 

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it's not a good dhv because you will most likely make her get defensive because you seem defensive...

wait, you're charlotte? is a very small dhv (in theory of the "neg" hit) from just it reminding her that you barely know her. the thing is that these can go overboard.

if your style is the charismatic, then you should read Juggler method.
 

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have you had many good (sexual) relationships with women before?
Nope... but that's mostly because of personal issues that are no longer in the way.
 

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my man 1st off you need to change your whole outlook about your self stop having self pitty with the username thats for starters
and you should find something positive that you did and do through out ur life and day look at it statistics wise women out number us on this plant and I know u have taken math so when there is less of something its in more of demand you know supply and demand its economics lol so consider your self a rare gem especially since your learning from sosuave hang in there man because this is just one of many asepcts to look at to make u the prize n a relationship
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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hopelessguy said:
Nope... but that's mostly because of personal issues that are no longer in the way.
that's cool. if I was you I'd try and meet some nice girls and get a girlfriend

you'll learn so much and it can help you get over ur limiting beliefs about urself

also, check out Mystery Method (book/DVD/mp3) for a clear idea of the structure of pickup / starting a relationship

AND

check out the RSD stuff (Foundations/Transformations etc) for a clear idea of the mentality of being good with women

Pook and DYD have interesting concepts but aren't concrete enough for beginners IMO. too much fluff and grey areas.

sound good bro?
 

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my man 1st off you need to change your whole outlook about your self stop having self pitty with the username thats for starters
I dont know why people take my username so seriously here. im pretty cool with myself. obvi im a little frustrated, but otherwise im living a good life:)

check out the RSD stuff (Foundations/Transformations etc) for a clear idea of the mentality of being good with women
sounds great. what's RSD's stuff? (i'm not too familiar with the acronyms)
 

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I dont know why people take my username so seriously here. im pretty cool with myself. obvi im a little frustrated, but otherwise im living a good life:)


sounds great. what's RSD's stuff? (i'm not too familiar with the acronyms)
Real Social Dynamics. Tyler and them. Most of them are freaks and not necessarily people you'd want to become but their material has definite value. if you get there stuff and Mystery's stuff and take the best bits you'll understand attraction and pickup a hundred times better and be much clearer on the process and mentality.
 

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this is great stuff. tyler says a lot of things that resonate with me. thank you so much!
 

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this is great stuff. tyler says a lot of things that resonate with me. thank you so much!
you're welcome brother.

listen, learn, absorb and practice in the field and you'll get good.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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