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Is this a good thing?

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Okay, so basically theres this girl that i've been hooking up with (pretty much 3 nights a week -- mostly drunken nights) for the past 4 weeks. Last week we were at a happy hour and her and her friends all came back (we weren't drunk) to chill and smoke and what not. I for sure thought I was going to get some but of course not (she left with all of her friends). I chalked this up as a good thing -- as her wanting to spend some "sober" time with me but wasn't ready to start hooking up soberly yet.

So this past weekend she left to go home. She got back Monday and when I spoke to her I said a bunch of her friends and my friends were going to be playing some beer games and for her to stop by. She said she had some work but maybe she'll come for a little. Basically the same thing happened again. She came, her friends were here. We drank a little, talked a little, then she went on her merry way with her friends.

Once again I can either do 1 of 2 things...Chalk it up as a good thing (her wanting to spend some time with me) or pretty much admit that I didn't pull the trigger and kind of fvcked up.

This wouldn't be bothering me so much if it wasn't simultaneously happening to both myself and my good friend (who conveniently starting hooking up with my girl's best friend a few weeks ago as well). Shes been doing basically the same thing mine has and I want to make a little sense of it.

Thanks boys.
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

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Not to break balls or anything, but how is it a good thing when someone you hook up with stops hooking up with you?

Just from how I'm envisioning this situation in my head...you're saying you were hooking up with her 3 nights a week, and now when you see her, there's no more hooking up. I don't see that as seeking sober time together. It just seems like you're not hooking up anymore.

Also, a sidenote: Seeing a girlfriend 3 nights a week is fine. I wouldn't invest that much time in a chick I've been messing around with for only a month. Too much availability.

You want a conclusive answer to this event? Next time you see her, press her for the hookup. Either you'll get some booty out of it, or she'll explain herself and you can NEXT her.
 

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Nono, I guess I didn't explain myself well enough. We don't really hookup sober. I mean sure, when she sleeps over we'll fool around in the morning every now and then but other than that its mostly when we go out at night. Its a weird situation were in right now because I've been chasing this girl for a long time (no not one-itis -- just always knew that I wanted her) and finally shes returning the feelings.

With that being said, her coming over with her friends to hang out "soberly" can seem to come off as her wanting to spend time with me (but at the same time not ready to move our relationship into sober hooking up). I mean thats what I got out of it -- then again thats what I want to believe.

Also an update for this thread's purpose: She slept over last night and we hooked up then..
 

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She's trying to move you into a "relationship" where you are her BF,not a guy who f7cks her
 

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You can put that together soley from the information that I provided you with?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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When someone asks her about you do you suppose she wants to say "he's my BF" or "he's just a guy I know- when we get drunk,we screw". Most women want the first,not the second;the slut label isn't something as admired as the stud label. They WANT the sex-just not the name of slut.

I had a drunk FB, when I was asked if L and I were dating I said,"we just get drunk and screw" This idiot asked another friend of mine "are you dating Deb or do you just get drunk and screw?" in front of her, She WAS a slut[and he was just getting drunk and screwing],but they started dating right then-he ended up married to her.
 
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