"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Is there anything that can help my (extremely) AFC friend?

blackomen

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OK, I'm still somewhat AFC right now.. but this guy really takes the cake in AFCness.. I'm not that great with telling stories so please bear with me.

I met this older friend in college when he was working on his MBA at the same school. He started dating this girl (my classmate) several years ago when she was still jailbait (she started college a few years earlier.) He was about 30 at the time and basically wanted to go the "friends" route to make this 16-17 year old girl his girlfriend. He went on several dates with her and did a lot of things with her (like studying, eating ,etc.) but nothing of a sexual or romantic nature ever. He saw her almost every day or at least every week during the first semester of her freshman year but they never went any further.

Fast forward 3 years later (now)..

She's now graduating but without any job prospects so she's contemplating moving home with her parents. He's also without a job despite finishing his MBA a year earlier (economy's a *****, I digress.) Although he's moved to another town to find a job, he's been constantly worrying about his "relationship" with this girl (if you can call it that.) Particularly, in recent months, he commented how he saw her facebook page and she's always talking about partying every weekend and posting pictures of the parties to her page; he's constantly worrying about how she might hook up with another guy and forget about him (yeah, those were his exact words.) One thing I found particularly disturbing is that he saved up ALL of her facebook pictures from up to 3 years ago. (She frequently deletes and changes her facebook pics but he saved all 100+ or so of them from over the last 3 years, much like how we might collect porn or something.)

I explained to him in detail how he shouldn't be calling her all the time and even showed him the DJ Bible; at least he accepted THAT and cut down to calling her about once a month. Every time before he calls her, he'd call ME first and would ask me to help him come up with a plan for almost every possible response that she'll give (i.e. "What should I do if she picks up and says she's busy?", "What should I do if she says I now have a BF?", "What should I do if she says she's worried about finding a job?", etc.)

Right now, if he pesters me about what he really needs to do to get this girl, I tell him straight up to forget about her and try other women (after hinting this about 100 times in the past already.) Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to even remotely want to consider this option.

Seeing how much trouble he's having with women even at his age (already in his 30's), I kinda feel sorry for my friend.. but at the same time, I feel sorry for my classmate who is probably completely creeped out by this guy by now.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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kingsam

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there really are some guys you cant help- they will NEVER get it....its a shame, as it reduces the number of buddies you wanna hang out with when go out to bars or other places where HB's may be...

so how much notice has he taken of all the tips in the DJ bible (or does he just ask you everything?)... maybe point him to a few other sites (askmen.com is a good one for afc's to read)... unfortunaltey the more blunt and honest you are to him the more bitter he may be towards you...

cant you get him to meet/show some "natural DJ's" you know and point out to him the ways they act with women (and how he doesnt do it)...BUT really he can only make the changes HIMSELF and some guys just dont wanna listen ...
 

The Greek

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I really don't want to sound mean, but I've experience with this type of person. He needs professional help, and I don't mean pro PUA. He's not a danger to anyone, but it sounds like he's not matured emotionally. Psychotherapy can help with things like this and can be very comforting. It'd be easier I guess if you lived close together and you could use your own success to hook him up with chicas a bit. If it's just very stong oneitis, the easiest way to kill it is by having other girls show an interest in him. (Oneitis and obsessive behaviour are things I'm unfortunately acquainted with, LOL)
 

AtillaTheHun

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I can totally relate. My best friend is a total chump. He knows it, I know it, everyone knows it, but he just wont listen to anything we have to say. It hurts because I love the guy, and watching him wallow in self pity is a huge suck fest.

But I think he's slowly coming to his senses. He starting to think more positively. I'm sure he'll come around one day. But there's nothing I can do to "help" him. People help themselves.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Alle_Gory

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Failure can help him out most. When you see him with a girl, and you know better explain to him step by step what will happen and how it will get all fvcked up.

If you're right, he might listen to you next time and then you can do something about it. Prove to him that you know your ****.
 
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