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Don Juan
Guys, I realize this is long but please bear with me. I'm driving at something here and it will come together at the end of the post.
Almost exactly one year ago I came to this site. I was in the very very beginning stages of oneitus, and found sosuave when I did a search (and I kid you not) on the web for "how to compliment a girl".
This site was one of the first to come back in the search results. After exploring this place I realized almost EVERYTHING I had ever read or been told about women was wrong. It was amazing -- everything I read on here made sense -- and I felt like a man blind from birth whose eyes had suddenly been healed. I started browsing and reading articles, then printed the entire site off! For the better part of the next month I spent every evening after work reading each and every article.
Then maybe 2 months later I joined the discussion forum and discovered the bible. Eventually I started reading about something called "speed seduction" and "mASF". This led me to discover fastseduction.com and the tremendous, overwhelming quantity of information contained therein. All these different methods -- SS, gunwitch, mystery, juggler, GM, etc. etc. I read everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that I could get my hands on and for which time allowed.
Now, for those of you who I have communicated with one-on-one, you know that my schedule for the last few months has prevented me from really experimenting much with what I have learned from these sites and boards. (This will change in 2 months.) And while THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE for real-world experience, I believe I have internalized much of the attitude of a DJ. I can't really point out how I've changed -- I just know I have. For one, I've had more girls come onto me in the last 6 months than the first 26 years of my life combined. So obviously I'm doing at least a little right.
The past week I had the opportunity to try a little SS for the first time. And it wasn't even very heavy SS, just the peak experience pattern from fastseduction (adapted to fit my personality and knowledge about music). And I didn't deliver it in person but rather thru an IM convo. That stuff WORKS!!!! Wow.... let's say I was really pleased with the results.
This week I've had the opportunity to review MOTU's post regarding his current thoughts on seduction, as well as Mr. Fingers' post detailing his transformation from AFC to what he is today. Both of these guys have far more experience than I do, and it seems they are quite well-practiced in the different methods of seduction (especially MOTU who as I recall mentioned he had tried nearly every method out there, attended numerous seminars, and spent boucou $$$ on his journey to becoming a first-class seductionist). But perhaps the most fascinating thing about both MOTU and Mr. Fingers is that in the end, they have both thrown out all of the strategic methods of seduction (mystery method, gunwitch method, etc. etc. and ESPECIALLY speed seduction and NLP). Guys, please correct me if I'm wrong.... I'm not trying to put words into your mouths.
Which leads me to the crux of this post:
Again, I realize this is a loooooong post but I appreciate the time spent by those who have read it and are willing to respond. I look forward to reading some constructive and insightful replies.
Almost exactly one year ago I came to this site. I was in the very very beginning stages of oneitus, and found sosuave when I did a search (and I kid you not) on the web for "how to compliment a girl".
This site was one of the first to come back in the search results. After exploring this place I realized almost EVERYTHING I had ever read or been told about women was wrong. It was amazing -- everything I read on here made sense -- and I felt like a man blind from birth whose eyes had suddenly been healed. I started browsing and reading articles, then printed the entire site off! For the better part of the next month I spent every evening after work reading each and every article.
Then maybe 2 months later I joined the discussion forum and discovered the bible. Eventually I started reading about something called "speed seduction" and "mASF". This led me to discover fastseduction.com and the tremendous, overwhelming quantity of information contained therein. All these different methods -- SS, gunwitch, mystery, juggler, GM, etc. etc. I read everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, that I could get my hands on and for which time allowed.
Now, for those of you who I have communicated with one-on-one, you know that my schedule for the last few months has prevented me from really experimenting much with what I have learned from these sites and boards. (This will change in 2 months.) And while THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE for real-world experience, I believe I have internalized much of the attitude of a DJ. I can't really point out how I've changed -- I just know I have. For one, I've had more girls come onto me in the last 6 months than the first 26 years of my life combined. So obviously I'm doing at least a little right.
The past week I had the opportunity to try a little SS for the first time. And it wasn't even very heavy SS, just the peak experience pattern from fastseduction (adapted to fit my personality and knowledge about music). And I didn't deliver it in person but rather thru an IM convo. That stuff WORKS!!!! Wow.... let's say I was really pleased with the results.
This week I've had the opportunity to review MOTU's post regarding his current thoughts on seduction, as well as Mr. Fingers' post detailing his transformation from AFC to what he is today. Both of these guys have far more experience than I do, and it seems they are quite well-practiced in the different methods of seduction (especially MOTU who as I recall mentioned he had tried nearly every method out there, attended numerous seminars, and spent boucou $$$ on his journey to becoming a first-class seductionist). But perhaps the most fascinating thing about both MOTU and Mr. Fingers is that in the end, they have both thrown out all of the strategic methods of seduction (mystery method, gunwitch method, etc. etc. and ESPECIALLY speed seduction and NLP). Guys, please correct me if I'm wrong.... I'm not trying to put words into your mouths.
Which leads me to the crux of this post:
- Is there any value in these strategic methods at all? If so, what is it?????
- What then is the key to seducing women? IT APPEARS TO BE NOTHING MORE THAN MINDSET AND ATTITUDE.
Again, I realize this is a loooooong post but I appreciate the time spent by those who have read it and are willing to respond. I look forward to reading some constructive and insightful replies.