Is there a time to stop going out / clubbing?

[JdelaSilviera]

Jaylan, you also make excelent points. But keep in mind that you don´t have age related problems yet. You will, of course . 6-7 years difference I think it´s still very acceptable for most girls.

 

[Jaylan]

Jaylan, you also make excelent points. But keep in mind that you don´t have age related problems yet. You will, of course . 6-7 years difference I think it´s still very acceptable for most girls.

I know its coming. I sometimes truly lament the fact that Im aging and almost in my late 20s. 30 is near, and I will go into Barney Stinson mode when I get there lol

Ill just make due when the time comes. Im sure I will still be attracted to 20-somethings. But I dont think any guy in a big city in his 30s has room to complain about the quality of women available his age. If the 20-somethings arent biting, metropolitan areas have more than enough sexy women in their 30s walking around.

I see them whenever I walk around NYC

 

[LorenzoVonM]

I don't really have the same experience as Jaylan. I'm in SoCal and everyone is in good shape. I have all my hair and hookup with girls in their 20's all the time. I don't really traditionally date anymore so I wouldn't know about that. Going to clubs in larger Metropolitan areas you are gonna find the spread to be 21 - 40 yrs old. Its not kids on their 21rst birthday running around. 18 and over clubs? I don't even know where those exist. Do you live in a smaller city?

Clubs are rife with attention wh0res and for a large part it is a status based game. I sometimes see the hottest girls with what most would deem the "hottest" guy but I also see them with some toads. I've seen both sets strike out as well. So in the end its more of a game thing. Being hot will get you in the door but after that if you suck, you are going home alone.

 

[Jaylan]

SoCal sounds like my kinda area. The NYC metro area seems to have mostly 18 to 25 yr olds in its nightclubs. Though the average age seems to be 22/23, so people older than that stick to bars and lounges. Some places are just lax on fake ID's it seems.

Id love for the age range to be 21 to 40. I like variety. And I dont like being around kids who just became drinking age or who arent really there yet.

 

[Stagger Lee]

^Keep believing what you want bro. Im not the one making excuses for why hot young women arent dating me. Deal with it and make any reason for it not happening as you like.

I have no need to change tunes bro. Im in damn good shape with a full head of hair, and I will remain in good shape as I get older. So even if I lose my hair, Ill be in great shape, and I already know I rock the baldy well.

Ill be able to snag good looking girls my age or younger if I want to. But I prefer women around my age as I relate to them better. So if I am single in my 30s, Ill have no problem snagging the rarer hot over 30 babes. Lord knows they can be picky themselves though.

I've picked up many college girls while in my 30's. That's how I know it's not so easy and it gets harder as you're older. But I also remember when women didn't have issues with age difference.

So you'll be picking up younger girls when you're older huh?

Im 26, but I havent done the club thing regularly in a few years. I may go every once in a while if Im dragged there, but only if its a place thatll have an average age of at least 23. I dont go to places that let in a bunch of under-agers with fake IDs.

You're supposedly 26 now and haven't done the clubbing thing in a few years. What hope will you have when you're 30? You're phonier than a 3 dollar bill.

 

[Jaylan]

I've picked up many college girls while in my 30's. That's how I know it's not so easy and it gets harder as you're older. But I also remember when women didn't have issues with age difference.

So you'll be picking up younger girls when you're older huh?

Why do you have such trouble reading? Do you skip words? Learn not to do that. Because I stated in my earlier post that I prefer women my own age, and that if Im single in my 30s, my preference will be women in their 30s.

I know itll be harder to get women in their 20s, but it doesnt bother me. However Im very sure Ill keep my style game up, and my fitness level will still be good, so Im not worried about who I wont be attracting. Im sure some 20-somethings may look my way, but unlike you, I wont whine if they dont.

You're supposedly 26 now and haven't done the clubbing thing in a few years. What hope will you have when you're 30? You're phonier than a 3 dollar bill.

I said I havent done it regularly in a few years. Theres that reading comprehension again. I do recall myself clearly saying that at my age I only club every now and then. I do recall saying I much prefer the bar atmosphere and even better if it has a dance floor.

Do I care about what hope Ill have clubbing at 30? Hell no I dont. I dont like being around people I consider kids, and I already feel most people under 22 are kids to me. So no, I have no hope of being the lone 30-something year old guy trying to club with people in their early 20s.

Id rather spend that time in a laid back longue or a good bar.

 

[Cremasta]

I pretty much stopped going to clubs around 32-33. Will still go to a bar though.

The problem was that all the girls in the clubs seemed like they were still in high school... and stupid.

It wasn't really a conscious decision not to go, after a while I just couldn't be ar$ed with it. When you get to that point, you won't miss going.

 

[synergy1]

SoCal sounds like my kinda area. The NYC metro area seems to have mostly 18 to 25 yr olds in its nightclubs. Though the average age seems to be 22/23, so people older than that stick to bars and lounges. Some places are just lax on fake ID's it seems.

Id love for the age range to be 21 to 40. I like variety. And I dont like being around kids who just became drinking age or who arent really there yet.

If you are guy who can approach women, looks decent, than you will love socal. The age thing seems less of a thing there..in the north east area it seems to be more so. My age range has been 21-42, but I like women who are 24/25. It does depend how old you look, but from what I have heard there are a lot of women with daddy issues who like older guys.

Its also too bad that this became an old man/ younger guy piss fest. The fact is if you put in the effort to be financially successful, look good, and social, you WILL get the results you want in one way or another. We can't control our ages so why bother focusing on it?

 

[In2theGame]

What I do find odd is young guys saying whether or not girls are attracted to older guys. How would they know? They haven't lived through their 30s, 40s etc. All I hear from the older guys is that it only gets easier.. yet younger guys say it won't, ha.

It does get easier IMO. Like i said before, I hit 30 few months ago but the majority of girls I've taken back and banged them or went back to their place was in the 20 to 25 range. The only thing is the younger ones are inexperienced sex wise. Like this one time, i picked up this 21 year old... Actually she picked me up.. as i was standing by the bar and she came up next to me to "buy herself a drink". She confessed to me that she's been eyeing me the whole night and her friend encouraged her to try to talk to me.. Anyway.. she was young and didnt know how to work it much in the bed room. She worked my C*ck like it was a toilet plunger. kinda hurt.

 

[Kailex]

I WOULD go to clubs, but I see more value into hitting up a bar with friends and just meeting people there.

I don't know what it is... it's not that I'm against clubs, but having been a former bartender in my 20's... the scene was just played out for me. The loud music, the competition for drinks, the pushing and shoving that comes from a packed place, people acting a fool...

I like going to a place where I can just sit down and grab a beer and relax. I've actually had more success that way, so why change what I am doing?

I have been to clubs though, went to one recently two weeks ago, I'm 32... maybe look 27/28... and didn't feel awkward at all... and that's what I think is the key... you need to feel like you belong there, not that you are out of place.

Honestly though, I don't care about societal programming or anything of the sort... even if younger women do. If one doesn't want to scream into my ear over the loud "BONGA BONGA BONGA" of the music because she thinks my silver streaks give me away... fine by me, I know a great bar just down the corner where my favorite beers are always on tap and the women are a lot more relaxed.

 

[Mike32ct]

Very low 30s is probably the game peak for men. You probably still look 20something if you take care of yourself, and you probably have close to ten years of bar/club/game experience (minus any LTRs).

Between ages 30 and 31, at the clubs, I think I made out with 22 girls in their low 20s including a 3-way with two girls. It's not as creepy as it sounds because I LOOKED 20something at the time.

I do bars sometimes now because I'm older but only talk to 30s and 40s women. If a younger one opens me (rare), l will chat with them briefly, but I generally ignore them. I honestly don't even feel comfortable talking to 20something chicks anymore.

Ultimately, find a place that you're comfortable with. If you're older, find a place with an older crowd. If you still enjoy and do well at the younger place, that's fine too. If it's not broke, don't fix it.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I prefer bars and lounges too, but in most towns around here the crowd is slim pickings there, especially on a weeknight. It's usually a few regulars and a few warpigs. I could just pick out the uglier girls at the club if I wanted fat and ugly lol. It seems like any venue that has any attractive and somewhat young girls is going to have a lot of guys there too, so it feels like a club anyway. And it's mostly just college aged people who are going out. That's probably regional dependent, but attractive 20 to 30-somethings women at the bar to be picked up are few and far between. But at the college age spots there's hundreds of attractive girls.

 

[Mike32ct]

I prefer bars and lounges too, but in most towns around here the crowd is slim pickings there, especially on a weeknight. It's usually a few regulars and a few warpigs. I could just pick out the uglier girls at the club if I wanted fat and ugly lol. It seems like any venue that has any attractive and somewhat young girls is going to have a lot of guys there too, so it feels like a club anyway. And it's mostly just college aged people who are going out. That's probably regional dependent, but attractive 20 to 30-somethings women at the bar to be picked up are few and far between. But at the college age spots there's hundreds of attractive girls.

Agreed. The major tradeoff to sarging older women is there are WAY less of them out there and even fewer that pass the boner test.

 

[zekko]

I didn't even like clubs when I was a young man, so I can't really talk about that. Generally speaking though, I know that women tend to prefer men who are about four years older than they are.

It does get easier IMO. Like i said before, I hit 30 few months ago but the majority of girls I've taken back and banged them or went back to their place was in the 20 to 25 range. The only thing is the younger ones are inexperienced sex wise.

I can only speak for myself, but it definitely got easier for me once I got into my 30s. Guys always talk about girls 18-25 as being the most desireable, and I can see why they say that. But the thing is, I'd say a guy in his 30s might be more interested in a girl who is 27, 28, or even their own age. As you get older, you learn to appreciate girls who are a little older than the golden "18-25" range. It's nice if the girl is a little more mature, and can actually hold a decent conversation. And I say this as a guy who generally dates much younger. I've never banged a girl who was in her 40s or older.

Even now at 52, I feel like I have more options than I've ever had. And girls in their mid 20s flirt with me regularly. I think for some guys it probably gets harder as they get older - maybe they age badly, don't stay in shape, or don't have anything going for them. A man's value should increase as he gets older.

 

[PlayHer Man]

The older you get... the bigger age gap you can get away with. From what I've seen women have the biggest "hang ups" from age 18-24. Not all of them, but more of them. This is to some degree a result of societal programming as well as the general idiocy that comes from youth. Young people are morons. Its no secret.

Once women leave college and come to terms with their mortality they become more concerned about their own personal needs over what society says in "ideal". After all.. the clock is ticking. This is why women in their late 20's will date a guy in his 40's or 50's faster than a girl in her early 20's will date a guy in his 30's.

The 18-24 period is when most women are at their physical peak and feel like they rule the world. So of course they go after the guys they can brag to their friends about. Its more about image and less about attraction at that age. Later its more about attraction, security and value. Then it becomes just about security and value. Then just security.

As the options dwindle so do the standards. :yes:

 

[fuzzball]

Why do you have such trouble reading? Do you skip words? Learn not to do that. Because I stated in my earlier post that I prefer women my own age, and that if Im single in my 30s, my preference will be women in their 30s.

while i think you make decent points overall i will say i think you are kidding yourself here. i know because i used to think this lol but as my 29th birthday approaches far faster than i want it too(seriously where the hell does the time go???). i realize a few things

1. sure a girl my age is more mature...but the younger ones are hotter. given the two im initially more attracted to the younger ones.

2. it probably wasnt even a 100 years ago but there was a time 40 year old men banged 15 year old girls and nobody gave a crap....now days hes a pedophile for some weird reason. is it any wonder the sex game is so far screwed up? we've said to hell with thousands of years of social conditioning in the past 100 years. girls used to get paired off around 14-16 with guys who were 30-40 and had established themselves and could care for a family. for whatever reason it seems to take guys awhile to get on their feet but society didnt care and they seemed to know this and accept this.

3. back to point one....men are caught by looks at first.....i am a man i am no different....you too are a man and you will be no different. if you are single at 30 you will see that 18 year old girl and think damn shes hot....furthermore theres a high chance you wont be able to tell the difference between a girl 13-19(thats physically matured) and 20-25....i know i cant based on looks alone.

4. i want to be in shape for a few reasons that will probably be the same for you
A- a flight of stairs needs to stop kicking my a$$
B- i dont want to look like hell when im older
C - if i get in shape now ill be better off when im older
D - being financially stable and independent is better for me....and at some level more attractive(and isnt that this is all about? we say being a man is not caring what girls think....but we are all here and we all care what they think on some level).

so you say at 30 you want a 30 year old women....great....i call BS its primarily why no one looks at old porn stars. guys want younger girls. we just do.

 

[Jaylan]

^I stand by what I said. In a large city, there are plenty of sexy in-shape women in their 30s. Looks matter for me of course, but I have a hard time relating to people I see as kids. So I prolly will never date someone more than 4 years younger than me.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Fuzzball is 100% correct.

Men don't seek "maturity" in a woman and never have. That's not a woman's purpose in life. They don't exist to be "mature".

Men who want mature women are usually looking for a mommy figure in their life to replace a dead or toxic mother. Just like women with daddy issues seek dramatically older men.

Most normal men put youth and beauty light years ahead of "maturity" in the priority list. You can observe this fact by looking at who the men with the most options (the rich and famous) date and marry. Its always the young hotties. Even if the man is in his 50's or 60's (Donald Trump).

Women are attracted to older men and men to younger women. Its a biological FACT.

 

[Jaylan]

^You really have a bad habit of trying to speak for all men. And then putting down men who dont fall neatly under the umbrella of your unfounded assertions. Plenty of mature guys on this forum will tell you that maturity matters to them when they choose a gal to date. The idea that any guy who wants a mature woman has mommy issues is patently false.

Jeezus Christ, I facepalm a lot reading some posts on this forum. Yes, physical beauty matters a lot to men, but there are many of us who know good looking girls are a dime a dozen and would like a chick we can relate to. Many of us wont relate to an immature woman. Looks matter, but it isnt the only thing.

And youre right, women like older men, and men like younger women, but the average age gap in a relationship is only a few years. For the most part, most people date folks around their own age bracket. I wouldnt use celebrities, or the rich and famous, as shining examples of how most people behave. Nowadays many female celebs date and marry younger guys. Just look it up and see how much more common it is. Yet you wont hear me saying most women want younger men just because some rich women do it.

PS - For every Donald Trump, theres a Ryan Gosling who didnt ignore Eva Mendez simply because shes over 30. Not all celebrity men behave the same way either. Nevermind the fact that shes older than him, he may propose, despite being able to attain any hot young piece of tail he wants. Some folks seem unable to accept that not all men behave one specific way.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Age doesn't equal maturity, certainly not by the time a female is over 19 to 21 years old, but definitely by 25. And maturity doesn't necessarily mean positive qualities in a real world female. Usually it means she is set in her ways and a little jaded. I don't know how many 30-something year old women I've met who were just an older, more used up and jaded version of a younger woman. They have commitment and relationship issues.

I think it's funny a supposedly 26 year old male talking about older women and claiming 21 year old women are immature. Women are usually still youthful looking and decent till about late 20's. There's a big difference in the dating pool of 30-year old women. Aren't these 30-something NY women notorious for still slutting it up and trying to act like they're in their early 20's? That's some real maturity there lol.