Is The Rational Male Enough to Understand Red Pill?

[justacoder]

I’m very interested in learning more about the Red Pill school of thought.

So, in addition to The Rational Male, which books or articles would you recommend that are sufficient to grasp Red Pill ideas? Or is Rollo’s book alone enough?

Any specific RP-focused books or articles you’d suggest would be appreciated.

 

[BaronOfHair]

At the risk of triggering the ever living piss out of quite a few True Believers:


"The Red Pill" has long since gone the way of terms like "Intersectionality"... They can mean anything from "Everything Rom-Coms and Disney movies have taught you about love and romance is ass-backwards"/"Different demographics can be disproportionately affected by different difficulties"

To

"The System(Whatever THAT means)has been designed to oppress and persecute not only you, but everyone who resembles you in even the slightest... You and everyone who bears so much as a passing resemblance to you REALLY ARE that f-c-ing special!!!"

So, read everything you can with an extremely skeptical eye, and find what works for you. Everyone from Tommasi(Who seems like a decent guy, who I mean no disrespect to)to most self-described MGTOWs refer to themselves as RP, despite their beliefs diverging dramatically on several points

 

[justacoder]

At the risk of triggering the ever living piss out of quite a few True Believers:


"The Red Pill" has long since gone the way of terms like "Intersectionality"... They can mean anything from "Everything Rom-Coms and Disney movies have taught you about love and romance is ass-backwards"/"Different demographics can be disproportionately affected by different difficulties"

To

"The System(Whatever THAT means)has been designed to oppress and persecute not only you, but everyone who resembles you in even the slightest... You and everyone who bears so much as a passing resemblance to you REALLY ARE that f-c-ing special!!!"

So, read everything you can with an extremely skeptical eye, and find what works for you. Everyone from Tommasi(Who seems like a decent guy, who I mean no disrespect to)to most self-described MGTOWs refer to themselves as RP, despite their beliefs diverging dramatically on several points

Yep! I regard RP as not being the only perspective on man-woman intersexual dynamics and behaviour; I only wanted to include this school of thinking in my understanding. I believe this book is the basic foundation for red pill or is the ideology of TRP. So far as I know, MGTOW is a far-fetched concept that involves completely disconnecting from women but RP thing is good for me.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Just come up with your own reasons to stay on the sidelines and be good with it.

Don't waste your time on convoluted theories about why it's not getting in the game.

OTOH, if you want to get in the game and enjoy women and life, then do that.

There are much better resources to help with that.

 

[Hoodie]

I’m very interested in learning more about the Red Pill school of thought.

So, in addition to The Rational Male, which books or articles would you recommend that are sufficient to grasp Red Pill ideas? Or is Rollo’s book alone enough?

Any specific RP-focused books or articles you’d suggest would be appreciated.

"Red pill" in its base form is really just seeing reality for what it is. Not the illusions, falsehoods or distractions, which is the blue pill.

Rollo Tomassi's view on gender dynamics are true to a large extent, but if his methods and "medicine" are the best, can be argued.

You can draw this further to the matrix, which is the system or beliefs that tries to keep you trapped in falsehoods, but ends up fooling you.

And seeing reality as it is (Taking the red pill), lets you operate outside the matrix, if you apply what you learn.

However, I would argue that the red pill goes far beyond just gender dynamics.
Gender dynamics is just one pillar where people have been lied to by "the matrix".

But reality or red pill goes much deeper than just gender dynamics, like finance, power and how society operates, etc.
And also, what are you trying to achieve with this information?
What is the end goal?
Those are also important questions.

 

[BaronOfHair]

"Red pill" in its base form is really just seeing reality for what it is

Godspeed to anyone who believes themselves capable of doing so. He or she will be the first person in the history of our species to achieve such a feat

 

[BaronOfHair]

Yep! I regard RP as not being the only perspective on man-woman intersexual dynamics and behaviour; I only wanted to include this school of thinking in my understanding. I believe this book is the basic foundation for red pill or is the ideology of TRP. So far as I know, MGTOW is a far-fetched concept that involves completely disconnecting from women but RP thing is good for me.

As has been pointed out elsewhere on the forum

RATIONALE MALE ..PLAYERS HANDBOOK

What do you think of Rollo Tomassi's book "The Rational Male - The Player's Handbook"? Is it a good choice for a beginner in the game?

www.sosuave.net

How do you guys avoid getting attached?

Bounce as soon as you get the Feels.

www.sosuave.net

Rhyme And Unreason

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-28-vw-5048-story.html Excerpt: "NEW YORK — The “Museum of Modern Male Art” in the offices of Esquire magazine, features neatly mounted trout and salmon flies, spoked wheel covers, an electric drill, billiard balls and a martini glass. Back in...

www.sosuave.net

NONE of this stuff we today label "Red Pill Knowledge" is remotely new, and prior to '16, most of it WAS NOT controversial to say in mainstream/mainstream-esque media. The PC Revival we've been in the midst of for the past decade drove all discussion of "men's issues" underground, where the discussion inevitably became an echo chamber

 

[justacoder]

"Red pill" in its base form is really just seeing reality for what it is. Not the illusions, falsehoods or distractions, which is the blue pill.

Rollo Tomassi's view on gender dynamics are true to a large extent, but if his methods and "medicine" are the best, can be argued.

You can draw this further to the matrix, which is the system or beliefs that tries to keep you trapped in falsehoods, but ends up fooling you.

And seeing reality as it is (Taking the red pill), lets you operate outside the matrix, if you apply what you learn.

However, I would argue that the red pill goes far beyond just gender dynamics.
Gender dynamics is just one pillar where people have been lied to by "the matrix".

But reality or red pill goes much deeper than just gender dynamics, like finance, power and how society operates, etc.
And also, what are you trying to achieve with this information?
What is the end goal?
Those are also important questions.

I appreciate the reply! My main aim is to expand my knowledge by exploring different perspectives and thoughts, rather than sticking to just one, so I can understand which one works best for me and why.


Specifically regarding the Red Pill, I’d like to learn more about its views on mating strategies and how a young man can begin transforming his journey from boyhood into manhood, especially as someone new to manosphere content. I want to understand how he can become successful with girls and dating.


In society, I’ve noticed many women displaying masculine energy and many men acting soft or feminine. I want to know why there’s this imbalance of energies, and how we can help more boys transition into strong, grounded men. Personally, I feel Red Pill is a good starting point, since dating and attraction are very engaging topics that can motivate boys to begin their journey from a boy’s mentality to a man’s mindset.

 

[justacoder]

As has been pointed out elsewhere on the forum

RATIONALE MALE ..PLAYERS HANDBOOK

What do you think of Rollo Tomassi's book "The Rational Male - The Player's Handbook"? Is it a good choice for a beginner in the game?

www.sosuave.net

How do you guys avoid getting attached?

Bounce as soon as you get the Feels.

www.sosuave.net

Rhyme And Unreason

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-28-vw-5048-story.html Excerpt: "NEW YORK — The “Museum of Modern Male Art” in the offices of Esquire magazine, features neatly mounted trout and salmon flies, spoked wheel covers, an electric drill, billiard balls and a martini glass. Back in...

www.sosuave.net

NONE of this stuff we today label "Red Pill Knowledge" is remotely new, and prior to '16, most of it WAS NOT controversial to say in mainstream/mainstream-esque media. The PC Revival we've been in the midst of for the past decade drove all discussion of "men's issues" underground, where the discussion inevitably became an echo chamber

So, simply, society and feminism try to suppress men from actual reality.

 

[SW15]

The Rational Male is a good book. It was published in 2013 (based somewhat on Rollo's late 2000s/early 2010s blog posts) and does hold up well in the 2020s.

Rich Cooper's "The Unplugged Alpha" is also a good book and his writing style is captivating. His book is a fast read. It's about 200 pages that makes you want to keep turning pages. Rollo Tomassi wrote the foreword for it. The overlap between Tomassi and Cooper is significant, but Cooper presents a lot of the same information in less time.

 

[BaronOfHair]

So, simply, society and feminism try to suppress men from actual reality.

The mainstream media has, historically, always been laden down with journalists, publishers, producers, etc who identify as Large L Leftists, who really go native on causes like Gloria Steinem-style Feminism. They're not trying to "suppress the truth" most of the time, so much as they(like all human beings)are presenting a view of reality they've never interrogated for it's accuracy. Depending on the era, there are times when The MSM is more amenable to views which DON'T adhere to the party line

Same way so many 80s action movies parroted The Regan Administration's renewed appetite for military adventurism abroad via flicks like Top Gun and Rambo, and the militarization of police departments/a reduction of civil liberties domestically via all those vigilante cop movies and shows from that decade. Which was quite a departure from the Big-Brother-Is-To-Be-Bewared verve that characterized cinema and even television during The 1970s

 

[justacoder]

The Rational Male is a good book. It was published in 2013 (based somewhat on Rollo's late 2000s/early 2010s blog posts) and does hold up well in the 2020s.

Rich Cooper's "The Unplugged Alpha" is also a good book and his writing style is captivating. His book is a fast read. It's about 200 pages that makes you want to keep turning pages. Rollo Tomassi wrote the foreword for it. The overlap between Tomassi and Cooper is significant, but Cooper presents a lot of the same information in less time.

I would agree with this! I got that book for the very first read then I started with The Rational Male, no doubt that book is thrilling.