Is the art of seduction just measured cruelty?

[Tedhe]

Discuss.

 

[Yewki]

I think you would only care about the answer to this question if you have a negative, defeated outlook.

In which case, you definitely have bigger fish to fry

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

No. Seduction is the art of being someone women or men want. Women have a choice. If they don't it is rape.

Maybe it is the art of minimizing cruelty to you

 

[ohrein]

Seduction is just inciting a sexual response in someone. I'm not sure how it could be seen as cruel given sex is pleasurable.

 

[bigneil]

Is reality just measured cruelty?

Time to break out of the shelter.

 

[Serenity]

Seduction is to be in way so they internally wants to fvck you, they feel like it.
Cruelty is to make them fvck you even if they really didn't want to, they don't feel like it but do it mostly out of fear.

Forcing others feelings about you would be abuse, still no matter how hard you try they will feel what they feel. If they hate you they hate you, being cruel and using force only magnifies that hate. They might act nice, but it's just an act, deep down you'd be the biggest a-hole alive. That is not seduction, that's emotional abuse.

Seduction is to be liked, to be the person who makes them feel good. Who does them good in a way they can truly feel. You can't take their love for you, they can only give it.

 

[logicallefty]

Discuss.

No more cruel than women using their vag to get resources, jobs, favors, etc. from blue pill men that they otherwise would never get or be entitled to get.

 

[BeExcellent]

Seduction is cruel only if you do not understand it.

It is the build up of sexual tension & desire, a strategy game where they players may or may not reveal their true intentions willingly. A person uncomfortable with his or her sexuality is likely to be uncomfortable either being the seducer or the seduced.

I think of it as the equivalent of a chess match from a sexuality standpoint, and find it as entertaining and stimulating as a chess player that enjoys the intellect of the chess match, appreciating the nuance and the unknowns within the construct of the "game."

 

[Serenity]

Had some further thought, something really bugged me about seduction. Has been for a long time, I figured it out.

To seduce someone involves acting a particular way to get the desired response. I think that's a flaw, that's what we've been doing all along. Some men act nice in hopes of getting a desired response (sex). Some men act in all kinds of funky ways to get it, still controlled by the desired outcome. In seduction we're still jumping through hoops to get sex, it's just a different set of hoops.

This is not freedom. If there's any cruelty in seduction it's towards ourselves more than others. So yeah, your level of skill in seduction is a measure of cruelty.... towards yourself.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

I agree. I think when you become the person you are meant to be, you no longer need to seduce people, they will want to be with you because of the person you are.

 

[ubercat]

Ah I believe in self-improvement but you guys are still trying to be Superman. A lot of times you will be successful just because of the random nature of woman. Doesn't matter just as enjoyable

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

Not sure I believe that too much. Yeah woman are random but it doesn't mean I can't skew the odds in my favour by being in shape, tidy, confident and result independent.
I am going to go out on a limb and say even as random as women are they are going to prefer that to the fat, hygiene-deficient guy who stutters and masturbates while talking to women.