"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Is the art of seduction just measured cruelty?

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I think you would only care about the answer to this question if you have a negative, defeated outlook.

In which case, you definitely have bigger fish to fry
 

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No. Seduction is the art of being someone women or men want. Women have a choice. If they don't it is rape.

Maybe it is the art of minimizing cruelty to you
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Seduction is to be in way so they internally wants to fvck you, they feel like it.
Cruelty is to make them fvck you even if they really didn't want to, they don't feel like it but do it mostly out of fear.

Forcing others feelings about you would be abuse, still no matter how hard you try they will feel what they feel. If they hate you they hate you, being cruel and using force only magnifies that hate. They might act nice, but it's just an act, deep down you'd be the biggest a-hole alive. That is not seduction, that's emotional abuse.

Seduction is to be liked, to be the person who makes them feel good. Who does them good in a way they can truly feel. You can't take their love for you, they can only give it.
 

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No more cruel than women using their vag to get resources, jobs, favors, etc. from blue pill men that they otherwise would never get or be entitled to get.
 

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Seduction is cruel only if you do not understand it.

It is the build up of sexual tension & desire, a strategy game where they players may or may not reveal their true intentions willingly. A person uncomfortable with his or her sexuality is likely to be uncomfortable either being the seducer or the seduced.

I think of it as the equivalent of a chess match from a sexuality standpoint, and find it as entertaining and stimulating as a chess player that enjoys the intellect of the chess match, appreciating the nuance and the unknowns within the construct of the "game."
 

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Had some further thought, something really bugged me about seduction. Has been for a long time, I figured it out.

To seduce someone involves acting a particular way to get the desired response. I think that's a flaw, that's what we've been doing all along. Some men act nice in hopes of getting a desired response (sex). Some men act in all kinds of funky ways to get it, still controlled by the desired outcome. In seduction we're still jumping through hoops to get sex, it's just a different set of hoops.

This is not freedom. If there's any cruelty in seduction it's towards ourselves more than others. So yeah, your level of skill in seduction is a measure of cruelty.... towards yourself.
 
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I agree. I think when you become the person you are meant to be, you no longer need to seduce people, they will want to be with you because of the person you are.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Ah I believe in self-improvement but you guys are still trying to be Superman. A lot of times you will be successful just because of the random nature of woman. Doesn't matter just as enjoyable
 

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Not sure I believe that too much. Yeah woman are random but it doesn't mean I can't skew the odds in my favour by being in shape, tidy, confident and result independent.
I am going to go out on a limb and say even as random as women are they are going to prefer that to the fat, hygiene-deficient guy who stutters and masturbates while talking to women.
 
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