Is she powerplaying me?

[Music_czar]

• She said: "I am now ... (32)..."
• I couldn't help but smile, actually I had to laugh but I supressed it and this was obviously visible to her.
• I responded: "Well, you know how women lose their good looks quite rapidly once they passed 30"

This was game over for her.
Move on.

^ agree with this.

DH, this is the moment you lost her as a potential fvck. At this point, she turned on her sociopathic “I’m gonna get him back for what he said to me” switch which is why she continued to msg with you back and forth after your statement.. but it was all planned and calculated to get you back for attacking the very core of her femininity. This plan of hers was created in the blink of an eye.

Personally I like what you said, and I like even more how you blocked her after she sent her message of “yea maybe i’ll go out with you if I feel like it.”

However, she’s 32. Too old for you to spend your time trying to kiss a$$. You could have banged her easily, or used her to practice your charm for when you meet a girl in her 20s.

But you stuck to your guns I like that. Yes you could have charmed her/kissed her a$$ like some others in this thread have suggested, but you chose not to. ****y and funny has to be done right, lightly making fun of her nail polish or hair style would have been ok but when you attack her core values (ie flat out “old women are unattractive”) you cross the line in her eyes.

Good on you. I know you’re like most men and don’t have time for BS or “practice charm” but next time focus your attention on women in their early to late 20s max. And don’t cross the line when you do ****y + funny.

 

[lamath]

Chasing ANY woman is blue pill unless you got caught cheating on your wife and need to make amends, period. Chasing this particular girl in this manner is full beta like I said earlier. I mean we can relapse from time to time but you have to recognize it as such.

I think most of us know what to do in similar situation but sometime when you get to close to the light you get blinded. Texting for an other date is alright but when she flakes no more txting.

 

[Atom Smasher]

This is common sense to anyone who has actually dated a woman. Who says this stuff, even as a joke, to a woman on a date? I mean really, does anyone here expect a girl to actually be turned on by that statement. This is basic dating 101, and he failed.
Like come on lol if some girl looked at your penis and said well it’s kind of small but whatever. And you got understandably miffed and she said she was ‘just joking’, how would you feel?
F**k? It’s actually hilarious how stupid this was and how some here think she’s the one with the issues because she’s not swinging off his penis after basically being told she is undesirable.

Although he did screw up massively, your logic is flawed. He made a general comment about ALL women (or most). There was an implication that she herself might think of herself as included in those women who have “hit the wall”. Your crass analogy is based upon a direct, personal insult about him specifically. You seem to be quite obsessed with bringing everything to the male genitalia judging by your consistent posting about it.

@Die Hard, you truly did blow it by implying she would think of herself as losing her looks. Bro, you just don’t go there. This is a massive hot-spot for women. I’ve joked with my woman on that subject, but she’s a Naomi Watts clone and has soundly beat the odds. The one you were with was average-looking by your account. You said you were “joking” from one side of your mouth, and said it was a true principle from the other side.

The whole thing was cringe-worthy. I wouldn’t be so inclined to call her a game player. I don’t blame her for being offended. You let the genie out of the bottle and there was no saving it, especially after all that texting. With every text your position became weaker and weaker. Essentially you showed her a very clear lack of social calibration and there’s no way a woman is going to be able to get that out of her head.

 

[Atom Smasher]

If I blundered so badly I would have sent the following...

“Hey [Name], the other night was great, save for a little hiccup. Great relationships shouldn’t hinge on one misunderstanding, wouldn’t you agree? I noticed a lot of rapport. I say we hit the reset switch and give us the chance we deserve. What do you say? I’d like to see you again this Saturday.”

At least this would give it one last shot at salvaging without appearing weak. If she said no, fine. But she might have said yes, agreeing that it’s possible to get past it by “hitting the reset switch”. I’ve found that women respond well to that little phrase.

 

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Solipsism. Everything is personal to a woman. Especially statements that are critical of women in general.

For future reference, tell a woman that erectile dysfunction can be managed with testosterone pellets or injections, and penile injection therapy. Injection therapy will keep the little fellow as hard as a broomstick for two or three hours whether you like it or not. And whether she likes it or not. Work that golden 'giner over for three hours and she'll think limp ****. And, combined with testosterone pellets getting those levels up over 1200, injection therapy often eliminates the need for itself because it stretches out long underused tissues and stimulates circulation. Think of it as yoga for little richard. Yoga For Little Richard

 

[Mazer]

Do not share any red-pill material with the opposite sex especially on the first date. I made a comment about women hitting the wall a few weeks back with a woman I have been seeing for a long time and if it wasn’t for her extremely high interest in me, she would have most likely dropped me.
I also understand it’s difficult at times trying to keep this red-pill shyt to ourselves, especially when we see it happening right in front of us. Just nod And smile.

 

[Glassguy]

The entire situation reeks of the worst case of a scarcity mindset and chasing a woman right out the door.

Double texting. Triple texting. Trying to "sell" the woman on why he is such a great guy after she shut him down following a first date.

Begging for a few minutes for a phone call to justify what he did. It was a first date. You severely over invested.

She wasnt playing games with you OP. You just fail to see the signs she is showing from her interest being leveled to ZERO.

"We'll see" means: I am going to keep responding to you because I dont want to tell you know, but I hope you get the hint and stop messaging me.

You just kept going and going. You allowed her to mind fvck you because you didnt pay an ounce of attention because you wanted ONE chick so bad after only 1 date? Please explain that to me.

Desperation. Scarcity mindset. Trying to negotiate a relationship. Not identifying low/no interest. Then you're the victim? Jesus.

Newbies please read this. Never do these things.

 

[Cckybold]

Game over..

 

[Die Hard]

Update: No contact after I deleted her number and pretty much forgot about her. But I incidentally ran into her again this weekend (I suspected she might be there, though). We exchanged glances shortly but apart from that, I ignored her. Eventually she came up to me and started being all flirty, like nothing negative ever happened between us. I didn't reciprocate and acted distant towards her. Then she addressed the "conflict" from a few weeks ago, told me she may have overreacted blah blah, that she enjoyed our date and felt like there was a good connection between us, and that this outweighed the negative interaction between us.

So basically, she said exactly what I would've told her if she had agreed to get on the phone a few weeks ago, haha. She did add that she hoped I wouldn't make such comments anymore... I gotta admit this put a smirk on my face lol, but I told her in a serious tone that I obviously wouldn't make such comments anymore.

From there things were all positive, ended up making out in the car and eventually drove to her house. Sex was great, the kind of typical hot sex you have with crazy girls lol. Which brings me to the point I've been making in this thread several times: She's mentally unstable. I slept at her place, we had breakfast etc. and during all of this more red flags popped up...

I must admit that I initially thought or hoped that she was worthy of something more than sex. But I pretty much know that she isn't. So even though it's nice that we got back together after the "fight" and I really enjoyed being with her, I think I should move on. There's gonna be plenty of drama if I keep seeing her...been there done that too many times, I'm sick of that shyt.

When she addressed the earlier stuff and told me she hoped I wouldn't make such comments anymore, and I told her I obviously wouldn't, that was kind of a genuine moment between us. But fvck that, I think it's fabricated drama. I'm not sure whether that one comment really "hurt" her or that she just used it to start drama. Some girls just love that emotional rollercoaster too much, creating a fight just to experience the high feeling that comes when the two of you get back together...

To be honest, in hindsight I don't give a fvck that I ended up "getting the girl" after all. Call me AFC but I seriously long for a real connection with someone. All this meeting girls, dating them, getting through all the obstacles they put up etc. And for what? Sex is overrated.... And most of them simply aren't worth more than that. I seriously don't want to do anything with a woman anymore if I don't feel she is LTR material. Like sitting on the couch, watching a movie, putting an arm around her and just enjoy that kind of "intimacy" where you kinda cuddle with each other. Fvck that, why would I do that with a woman who isn't LTR potential? That kind of interaction only gets you emotionally attached to her, which causes you to feel like shyt when you break up with her, which you fvcking know is gonna happen sooner than later when you already knew from the start that she wasn't LTR material....

Then again, if most women you meet are not LTR material, and you don't have that kind of interaction with them, then when do you ever have that kind of interaction?

Ranger said something about this in one of his latest threads, how men and humans in general need intimacy and how a man crumbles when his wife withholds it from him, something to that extent... And he's right. Now you can spin plates all the time and get your intimacy from all those different women, but I gotta admit it never feels right to me. I want to have one woman, someone who repects me and whom I respect back, someone who doesn't just do things for me coz it gives her a reward, but because she's happy to see me happy. Or something.... Disney fairytale to some, potential reality to others (under the conditon that you build yourself up enough as a man to make women act that way towards you).

I can't get there, anyway. It's always the same fvking circle, which I can't break out of. Yeah, unless I pick a girl who's at least two points below me in sexual market value. They treat me just how I want to be treated, but I don't want THEM lol. But aside from that, I often feel like I can't find my peace anyway. It's like what they explain here: https://www.simplypsychology.org/attachment.html

Harlow concluded that for a monkey to develop normally s/he must have some interaction with an object to which they can cling during the first months of life (critical period). Clinging is a natural response - in times of stress the monkey runs to the object to which it normally clings as if the clinging decreases the stress.

He also concluded that early maternal deprivation leads to emotional damage but that its impact could be reversed in monkeys if an attachment was made before the end of the critical period. However, if maternal deprivation lasted after the end of the critical period, then no amount of exposure to mothers or peers could alter the emotional damage that had already occurred.

I make it no secret that my mom was a BPD who mindfvcked me throughout my childhood just like BPD women leave grown men devastated after a relationship with them. Emotional manipulation, gaslighting, treating me like shyt and unleashing hell at me if I dared hold her accountable for her behavior, the whole ding-a-ling, while I was a fvcking infant. How does an innocent and dependent infant deal with that if grown men can't even deal with such creatures? Whatever, I'm getting into victim mentality here.... Anyway, I obviously learned that she was a not a safe object to cling to, so I didn't. But if an infant doesn't have anyone to cling to, and therefor doesn't form a healthy attachment to some object, there will be emotional damage to that infant, just like the article says about the monkeys. And no amount of peers (read: relationships I have with women in my adult life) could alter the emotional damage that has already occurred in my youth.

I don't think I will ever recover from that damage and I guess it will always prevent me from having a healthy relationship with a woman.

I don't even know what my point is anymore, I need to go to bed haha. Anyway, back to the thread's main topic: You shouldn't say what I said to this girl! Which was discussed a long time ago in another thread, by the way! https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/discussing-smv-with-girls.217688/#post-2165487

 

[highSpeed]

Update: No contact after I deleted her number and pretty much forgot about her. But I incidentally ran into her again this weekend (I suspected she might be there, though). We exchanged glances shortly but apart from that, I ignored her. Eventually she came up to me and started being all flirty, like nothing negative ever happened between us. I didn't reciprocate and acted distant towards her. Then she addressed the "conflict" from a few weeks ago, told me she may have overreacted blah blah, that she enjoyed our date and felt like there was a good connection between us, and that this outweighed the negative moments between us.

So basically, she said exactly what I would've told her if she had agreed to get on the phone a few weeks ago, haha. She did add that she hoped I wouldn't make such comments anymore... I gotta admit this put a smirk on my face lol, but I told her in a serious tone that I obviously wouldn't make such comments anymore.

From there things were all positive, ended up making out in the car and eventually drove to her house. Sex was great, the kind of typical hot sex you have with crazy girls lol. Which brings me to the point I've been making in this thread several times: She's mentally unstable. I slept at her place, we had breakfast etc. and during all of this more red flags popped up...

I must admit that I initially thought or hoped that she was worthy of something more than sex. But I pretty much know that she isn't. So even though it's nice that we got back together after the "fight" and I really enjoyed being with her, I think I should move on. There's gonna be plenty of drama if I keep seeing her...been there done that too many times, I'm sick of that shyt.

When she addressed the earlier stuff and told me she hoped I wouldn't make such comments anymore, and I told her I obviously wouldn't, that was kind of a genuine moment between us. But fvck that, I think it's fabricated drama. I'm not sure whether that one comment really "hurt" her or that she just used it to start drama. Some girls just love that emotional rollercoaster too much, creating a fight just to experience the high feeling that comes when the two of you get back together...

To be honest, in hindsight I don't give a fvck that I ended up "getting the girl" after all. Call me AFC but I seriously long for a real connection with someone. All this meeting girls, dating them, getting through all the obstacles they put up etc. And for what? Sex is overrated.... And most of them simply aren't worth more than that. I seriously don't want to do anything with a woman anymore if I don't feel she is LTR material. Like sitting on the couch, watching a movie, putting an arm around her and just enjoy that kind of "intimacy" where you kinda cuddle with each other. Fvck that, why would I do that with a woman who isn't LTR potential? That kind of interaction only gets you emotionally attached to her, which causes you to feel like shyt when you break up with her, which you fvcking know is gonna happen sooner than later when you already knew from the start that she wasn't LTR material....

Welcome to modern feminism. About 95% of women are not worth it, period. And hoping and praying that you run into one of those 5% is like hoping and praying that you hit the lottery, wasting all your money on tickets. Say that sex is over rated? Maybe but take it from a guy who gets like none, I'd kill for regular chore sex, as sad as you might find that. So believe me, from the outside looking in on your situation, sucks that she isn't long term relationship material for you but hey, if you got to pound that good for an evening, that's probably the best that you can hope for. Take it for what it is and move on.

 

[KindredSpiritzz]

you saved yourself future hassle, she's over sensitive so you'd of said something at some point down the road to hurt her feelings im sure. Just move on. I dated someone where everything I said hurt her feelings, it's no fun walking on egg shells around that type woman wondering what you're gonna say next to offend her.