So I'm a freshman in college and I'm a runner and had some injury problems so I saw a trainer at our college and she set me up and appointment for possibly getting orthotics...Anyways, she's already graduated from college, but I'm not sure of her exact age. So I met her today and she drove me to my appointment. She was very talkative and gave tons of eye contact, even while she was in the car. Then, once there, she helped me fill out the paperwork and had her legs crossed towards me. Then, when we got into the room, she brought up her sister and the fact she has two kids and that she couldn't imagine having kids right now...After that, a lady came in to just see what I was there for. She asked the girl who she was and she said she was a trainer for the university I go to. Then the lady said "Oh I thought you two were together"...haha then the girl says to the nurse lady "yeah I look like I'm 12...like I could still be in high school, let alone college"....Later on, when the doctor was having me walk to look at my feet, I look up and the trainer girl is staring at me and has a slight smile on her face. Then, after the appointment, the person told us something about how we would have to file the insurance and paperwork and stuff and so the girl turned to me and said "don't worry I'll do that for you" and touched me on the arm while kind of laughing and smiling....Then, on the way back, she talked about random things with her.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Is she interested?
- Thread starter Energy25
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
I'm in the Mood
Master Don Juan
What...............................slaog said:
OP: From what you said, I'd say she thinks you're an okay guy.
You didn't really describe even ONE IOI. All of this is like circumstantial evidence - it doesn't prove that she's attracted to you.
If she was you would most likely know.
As for your options in this situation:
A. Find out if she's interested romantically/sexually by asking her out.
B. Be her friend (which is the default if option A doesn't work out to your liking.)
A tip for the future: don't overanalyze situations.
You didn't even mention what you two TALKED about while she was driving you to the appointment. It sounds to me like an entirely social encounter with no romance whatsoever.
P.S. I've had shin splints and knee problems in the past from sports, and orthotics work wonders! If any good comes out of your dilemma, it will be comfortable legs
teacha
Senior Don Juan
If you interested in her, GO FOR HER MAN! Stop looking for signs of interest and just ask her number or something like that. If she not interested in you, who cares, its not the end of the world..ther's more were she came from....what is really important right now is ARE YOU INTERESTED IN HER??!!
I'm in the Mood said:
I don't know what that means so I can't reply.
I'm in the Mood said:
There were plenty of IOI's from what the OP described. Eye contact and her touching his arm and smiling at him etc. She is flirting with him and thats why I want to find out does she do it with everybody.
I'm in the Mood said:
Its likely that most guys on this forum cannot read signals from women because they've never learned. I never knew when women were flirting with me but looking back there was times when it is now obvious they were.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Joe Stud
Master Don Juan
"when r u meeting me for drinks, to discuss your recommendations for my new training schedule"? ask her
SchoolBoy
Don Juan
I say you kino her next time to find out.. there's way too much uncertainty right now because she could be doing that with everyone.. So the best way to deal with this, is to basically use body language yourself and see if it escalates. While throwing in C+F in the process.
I'm in the Mood
Master Don Juan
Eye contact, touching his arm and smiling are not necessarily IOIs - they're normal things that women do socially, and even some men do socially as well.
His entire post seems to me like a social frame, rather than a romantic frame.
In a romantic frame, they would definitely be IOIs.
His entire post seems to me like a social frame, rather than a romantic frame.
In a romantic frame, they would definitely be IOIs.
sodbuster
Master Don Juan
did she HAVE to drive you to the appointment? You know, as part of her job?
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.