"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Is sex overrated ?

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Sex is like anything else in life, it loses value if it's too abundant or too easy to get. But that applies to everything including money.

From that point 3 paths emerge.

1. Seeking greater heights (maximizing your first date or same night lays, going for threesomes and foursomes or multiple girlfriends, etc.)

2. Seeking satisfaction in another way (focusing on money or status)

3. Resisting the temptation of your earthly desires and being satisfied with the good life you already have. (Buddhism and Christianity are big on this sort of thing)
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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date a BPD chick and tell me sex is underrated.

Ive been separated from mine for 4 weeks and constantly think about it.
 

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I'll chime in again I'm older than most here - in my 5th decade. If the numbers provided in the "bodycount" thread are to believed, I've torn it up comparatively. I still love the act, and all that comes with it. And at least 2-3x a week have sex with more than one woman a day. And I rarely do not have sex on any given day either. Does it rule my life? No. But it feels physically extraordinary.

It's how your dopamine rewards are wired people. That's all it is, that's what gives it relative value to each of us. To each their own.
 

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Sex has never been overrated for me. I've always been very visual so I'm not typically getting into bed with a chic that doesn't have a good body.

The few times I've dropped my standards in order to secure easy sex with an average body my interest level dropped immediately as soon as I orgasmed. Like a cheap thrill that made it feel less satisfying .

Sechs with hot crazy girls has always been the absolute best.

I still enjoy sex with my LTR girlfriend. Lots of passion. We can go for 2-3hrs and it doesn't get boring or ever feel lackluster.

I guess I appreciate nice female bodies too much. Also enjoy seeing how turned on I can get a chic like no other guy before. It's a power/ego thing..... Like hunting new pu$$y.
 
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@Bingo-Player

The reality is the majority of men go through flaming hoops like a circus clown at even the slightest chance of being able to "bed" a woman.
I think this is my biggest concern for the future of the male species

Women have quickly learned this too and are increasingly using it as both a vantage and manipulation point

But has anyone here ever turned a woman down for sex ? .....the outcome is quite amusing

She then begins chasing you and chasing you hard because women cannot accept sexual disinterest from a male

it is their oxygen
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I have always found it odd how men like to


I think this is my biggest concern for the future of the male species

Women have quickly learned this too and are increasingly using it as both a vantage and manipulation point

But has anyone here ever turned a woman down for sex ? .....the outcome is quite amusing

She then begins chasing you and chasing you hard because women cannot accept sexual disinterest from a male

it is their oxygen
that is why the most efficient teasing women is when you say that you are friendzoning them :)
 

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I remember watching this interview with porn star Nikki Benz a while ago, she personally did nothing for me but she mentioned something that was interesting. She said that early in her career she was in a relationship with a man that seemed to love showing her off, so encouraging her to dress provocatively when out in public to garner a ton of attention. She said that she felt that he got some sort of personal satisfaction from the amount of attention, particularly from other men, that she attract. As you mentioned, it's highly validating for a man to be with an attractive woman. There's a reason why terms like "trophy wife" or "arm candy" exist. I feel it's a sign of power, showing up to a party with some fat slob will make you look like a loser for instance but with a hot woman you know other men will be envious.
I haven't seen Nikki Benz in a long time but she was SUPER HOT before I stopped porn. Sex with Nikki Benz in her prime was likely amazing. Probably still good today if she's kept in shape.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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But has anyone here ever turned a woman down for sex ? .....the outcome is quite amusing

She then begins chasing you and chasing you hard because women cannot accept sexual disinterest from a male
Did that once. The girl was naked, much younger, laying on top of me. Didn't like her body, so I sent her home. Wasn't amusing, the fact that she wasn't hot enough for me was just sad. Made some excuse, couldn't just tell her she got pear shaped t1ts and that I don't like that. Yeah, I'm a monster.
That was about 10 years ago, people were less shallow tho, she didn't try to get me back.

Casual sex is pretty much always overrated.
 

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I haven't seen Nikki Benz in a long time but she was SUPER HOT before I stopped porn. Sex with Nikki Benz in her prime was likely amazing. Probably still good today if she's kept in shape.
I'm personally not into the skinny blondes with fake tits look, they all just look the same to me, even worse if they have fake lips.
 

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I'm personally not into the skinny blondes with fake tits look, they all just look the same to me, even worse if they have fake lips.
Nikki Benz’s look was a good look. I like women with breast implants. Sex with a fit woman with big breast implants is a great experience.

I like both skinny women & women who are fit/athletic (without looking masculine).
 

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Yeah Sex is massively overrated. It can only have value if women are sleeping with the best guys only. AFAIK this is not the case. Too many losers are getting laid too much.

I just feel like a massive Beta or Simp if I'm ever trying to get laid. My natural approach with women is just to be the guy they respect and want around, me trying to get laid seems to make me feel like a beta or simp.

It's difficult to be a man of value and also to value sex highly cos you are now valueing something that likely a lesser man already got, hence putting yourself beneath him.

When you have sex with a woman, you want to treat her good, to make her happy, but why? what has she done for you to wanna make her happy?

Sex has to be a real competition, like a prize, it has to go to those most deserving, if not (as is the case today) then it can have little value.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I wanted to put this in mature man because i am hoping for answers from 30+

I am 30 now and have to admit the novelty of familiar sex is starting to wain for me

Most of the thrill for me is in the hunt it always has been ....getting her to submiss into your bed

But once that novelty wears off and you start entering that familiar territory with a girl ,sex is just starting to feel like going through the motions

Does anyone else fell similarly ?

Feel like its one of them topics that the manosphere is tabooed from speaking about.....
LTR?
I can say it's a phase. Grab a hotel room.
Hotel sex is usually spicy. It's new, it's fun. Fancy dinner, instead of pyjama suppers after work b1tch1ng about the boss, who's dumb as a box of rocks.
Before bull**** covid, vacations were looked forward to. I understand it's not easy now.
Try a day spa, chicks love that massage crap.
They tend to be "pleasant" afterword.
Good luck, bud.
 

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I wonder: given some of the responses why some folks are on a pickup forum. I assume the “sex is overrated” crowd is black-pill. I may be wrong.

Why be on a board dedicated to getting guys laid if you don’t value it?
 

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I went though a “Sex is overrated; dry spells are no big deal” phase.

I’m way passed that phase now.

I miss it lol.
Females will conspire to "dry" you out, by having them make the former bedroom champ sexless. We have to go outside of their influence. Fvck them! They lie so much, do not deserve respect.
 

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Can you expand on this?
to shut you off of pvssy, as we get older some of the Karens and others want to manage the mens at their age level lives. They don't want you having sex or enjoyment in life. There are a few guys on this board that i'm pretty confident that many women their age and a little older are furious that they are doing so much fvcking, especially on younger babes.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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