"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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is it too late?

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hey, just not so long ago i found out this girl that is often on mirc (chat program) is the same girl i have seen at the local bus station here, she works there at the mini store (candy, drinks, magazines, etc) to give her mother a break, so she's often there working alone. i see her there almost everday in the afternoon after school, cause i have to catch my bus there.

anyway, i had found out a couple weeks ago that was her and i told her i'd seen her a couple times. didn't really chat to her much until two nights ago where her interest level sparked up because of something i said in the chat room. she msg'ed me and told me she found me interesting because of what i had said.

they were talking about not having sex or something so i said i don't like to have sex with anyone and everyone, i like to respect myself. she told me the same, she didn't like to be fooling around all the time with guys and that she didnt go to parties much or drink or smoke. she works everyday and studies, and on top of that with her mother at the bus station mini store. i was interested, and because i had been waiting for a girl like this, i got carried away and acted AFC. i asked her if we could meet and she said she was still kinda stunned i had asked her.

so we were soon on msn chatting away. i asked her again! (silly me!).

she said: "i know the question, i'm not sure of the answer though. sorry, it's just like made me all like woah and stuff."

i told her that we should just get to know each other on msn a little before anything else. she said that was fine. she also said she was wary of guys. most guys.

that was that until the next night.

she msg'ed me on msn the next night (last night). we chatted about random sh|t. then she was telling me she works alot and how she's tired.

i said: "whenever you get a day off, give me a buzz and i can assure you, that i would make your day off the best ever."

i know, i know. that was dumb. i got carried away with my feelings because i didn't wanna be too c+f with her incase i'd fuk things up? where i live, you don't find too many girls like this one.

she started telling me she didn't want me to take the risk of meeting her and went into all this crap.

"in all honesty (my name here), i dont want you taking the risk cos im really not an easy person to try and be with."

"im not sure how to explain it. so i wont explain it."

"but i will say that its probly not worth it :) "

i started telling her that i'd like to take that chance. how would she know it'd be so bad if she hasn't even met me yet?

she kept telling me she didn't want me to get hurt and how she's hurt other guys in the past. she even told me that she really loved this one guy once, they dated a year and she cheated on him. i just told her he obviously wasn't the right guy. why would she say that? is she just trying to push me away? or is it the truth?

she was being so negative telling me that she wasn't beautiful and she was an idiot, but in a c+f way.

in the end i told her: "you're talking as if we're getting married, calm down. we can just be friends for now. then we'll see what becomes of this."

her: "ill reluctantly say yes, lol. im still very adamant that i want to
warn you off me though."

in a way, i think she's half and half interested in me. she's seen my pictures and told me i was cute. so looks shouldn't be a problem. i don't know if she's telling the truth about the hurting guys, that's fuking with my head cause i don't know if i should get to know her more or not.

she also told me i make her smile alot and that i'm sweet and nice. (but i am c+f too mind you) i was just being to nice. stupid me!

i'm thinking ignore her tonight, act like im busy and just go see her face to face when i finish school on tuesday and say hi. i think that'll boost the interest level up. also i will ask for her number.
she's 17 (18 this year), i'm 19 (20 this year). she's also french!

did i fuk it up by being too nice and asking her out on msn? is it too late to spark her IL back up?

sorry for the long post.
 
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Dude I don't think you should of said "let's be friends for now and see what becomes of it". From what she wrote it just sounds like she was trying to ween you off of her. She also reluctantly said yes to being friends for now. I'd say lay off her for now and let her contact you, if her interest is high enough she will.
 

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okay, this is what happened last night. since i was trying so hard the other night and being AFC plus desperate, i pulled this out on her...

[09:33:25 PM] me: sorry, i am a little busy atm. bbs
[09:33:31 PM] me: helping a friend out with car
[09:33:50 PM] her: well half the reason i came on was to talk to you lol
[09:34:22 PM] me: hehe i'll be back soon
[09:40:24 PM] me: back! but not for long.
[09:40:40 PM] her: why not?
[09:41:23 PM] me: gotta take the car for a little spin see ho
[09:41:27 PM] me: how it goes
[09:41:56 PM] her: that is a gay reason
[09:42:02 PM] her: how long will you be gone for?
[09:42:15 PM] me: haha, it's straigh as can be
[09:42:19 PM] me: straight*
[09:42:33 PM] me: i am not sure. we are going to baldivis maybe
[09:42:37 PM] me: that place is pretty cool
[09:42:51 PM] her: i used to go to schoool there
[09:42:54 PM] her: its gay
[09:42:59 PM] me: its good at night time
[09:43:04 PM] me: its so dark lol
[09:43:12 PM] her: yeh all that bush
[09:43:14 PM] her: n sheep
[09:43:16 PM] her: n farms
[09:43:18 PM] her: ....
[09:43:20 PM] me: (bah) - (pic of sheep shows there btw)
[09:43:36 PM] her: (bah)(}) - (pic of sheep and man)
[09:43:46 PM] me: haha, you scaring me
[09:44:03 PM] her: mission complete :p
[09:44:11 PM] her: finding nemo is so gay
[09:44:13 PM] me: don't try too hard
[09:44:41 PM] me: it was okay.
[09:45:01 PM] her: do you know wots gayer, we drove to freo today to go to the tatoo parlour that my mate was hell raving about n it wasnt even open
[09:45:09 PM] her: waste of a stupid day
[09:45:30 PM] me: who was going to get the tatoo?
[09:46:12 PM] her: both of us
[09:46:39 PM] her: but like i think im too chicken cos ill probly hate it by a few months lol
[09:46:52 PM] me: if you have doubts dont do it then
[09:47:09 PM] her: yeh i know but i dont want a big tattoo or anything
[09:47:24 PM] her: just a small one
[09:47:28 PM] her: like where no one can see
[09:47:33 PM] me: :eek:
[09:47:48 PM] me: haha
[09:48:36 PM] her: :p
[09:49:06 PM] her: if your gonna drive somewhere drive to kwinana, that'd be even cooler at nite
[09:49:23 PM] me: and get raped by a gang of abos?
[09:49:24 PM] me: no thanks.
[09:49:48 PM] her: your playing hard to get
[09:49:55 PM] her: dont be racist
[09:50:21 PM] me: i just dont like them
[09:50:28 PM] me: they punched out a pal of mine
[09:51:13 PM] her: yes people did that, doesnt matter if their aboriginal or not
[09:51:28 PM] her: if it was a white guy that pucnhed him
[09:51:36 PM] her: would u say that a white guy did it?
[09:51:41 PM] her: no you would say a guy did it
[09:51:51 PM] her: 8-|
[09:52:06 PM] me: yeah, maybe not all are bad, but like 90% are
[09:52:11 PM] her: im smart 2 + 2 = 4
[09:52:12 PM] her: lol
[09:52:18 PM] her: stop being racist
[09:52:22 PM] me: lol shut up
[09:52:26 PM] her: or ill block you
[09:52:32 PM] me: yeah go on then
[09:52:33 PM] me: :)
[09:52:41 PM] her: fine :)
[09:52:44 PM] * her is now Offline

i knew she'd come back. she did. i didn't msg her. she msg'ed me a few minutes later.

[09:59:11 PM] her: do you still wanna be racist?
[10:00:04 PM] me: i wasn't being racist at all. i just don't like most aboriginals.
[10:00:53 PM] me: i thought you blocked me?
[10:01:02 PM] her: do you want me to?
[10:01:06 PM] her: cos i can you know
[10:01:07 PM] her: :)
[10:01:24 PM] me: no. i don't. you just said you were going to block me, that's all.
[10:01:33 PM] her: i did
[10:01:42 PM] her: but then i was like no ill unblock him cos im kind
[10:01:56 PM] me: ooo lucky me ,lol
[10:01:58 PM] me: :D
[10:02:20 PM] her: you wont be getting too lucky hun, :p
[10:03:09 PM] me: i should thank my lucky stars then huh?
[10:03:20 PM] her: uh-huh
[10:03:21 PM] her: :p
[10:03:50 PM] me: come on damn it, taking so long, lol
[10:03:56 PM] me: so cold out there
[10:04:19 PM] her: then dont go if its so cold
[10:04:21 PM] her: lol
[10:04:33 PM] me: nah, i got this warm jacket.
[10:04:41 PM] her: i dont :(
[10:05:00 PM] me: hmm, well then you should get one?
[10:05:01 PM] me: lol
[10:05:29 PM] her: no i prefer bikinis in winter 8-|
[10:05:32 PM] her: hahaha
[10:05:49 PM] her: nah we have heating anyway so no need for warm jumpers lols
[10:05:54 PM] me: *checks calendar* hmm, it's winter soon.
[10:06:12 PM] me: cool.
[10:06:28 PM] her: who is that chick in your pick?
[10:06:48 PM] me: no idea. just some hair model.
[10:06:57 PM] me: i'm a photographer by the way.
[10:07:00 PM] me: so yeah.
[10:07:03 PM] her: really?
[10:07:08 PM] me: yeah i gota digi cam
[10:07:37 PM] her: wot do you take photos of?
[10:08:10 PM] me: anything that looks nice.
[10:08:15 PM] me: here's one i took out my backyard
[10:08:33 PM] her: imeant like humans or objects?
[10:08:55 PM] me: humans, nature
[10:08:57 PM] me: sunsets
[10:09:06 PM] me: use to be models for model scouting
[10:09:15 PM] me: had to take photos
[10:09:19 PM] her: models hey ;)
[10:09:25 PM] me: no hey
[10:09:38 PM] her: oh it wasnt like that hey :p
[10:10:09 PM] me: it was all business ;)
[10:10:21 PM] her: well youd think that being surrounded by models would make you all you know.....
[10:10:28 PM] her: lol
[10:10:33 PM] her: i mean models must be pretty hot
[10:10:44 PM] me: they're to look at
[10:10:52 PM] Transfer of "Sunset 01.JPG" is complete.
[10:11:09 PM] her: omg are those clouds?
[10:11:17 PM] me: yes.
[10:11:20 PM] me: pretty trippy huh
[10:11:28 PM] her: thats so gorgeous
[10:11:45 PM] me: hey i gotta now
[10:11:51 PM] me: i'll talk to you later okay
[10:11:56 PM] her: okie
[10:12:02 PM] me: see ya!
[10:12:07 PM] her: byees

i think i left her interested. don't you?
 

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Heh, things are complicated over the internet. It's hard to judge a girls interest in you, since typically, you could easily judge a person's interest by how much time they invest in you and put aside for you.

Since while online, all it takes is a few keystrokes to keep a conversation going and she would be online regardless of whether or not you were on, it's hard to just check for the level of interest.

Girls have many excuses. But what I really think was going on was she didn't want to meet up with you. Don't take it the wrong way, but when a girl is interested in a person, whether by looks or by personality, they WILL find a way to talk/date/become friends. I mean, if there was a pretty, nice, funny girl who asked to meet you, you'd do it in a heartbeat the second you had the chance. Now if she really thought you were cute and nice and stuff and worth a shot, she would have given it.

There's more too it, but I think that's the jist of it. Just my opinion either way.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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update for today:

[06:21:22 PM] her: you know i worked today so i could see who you were and you werent even there!
[06:21:32 PM] her: i even tried doing my hair nicely .....tried lol
[06:21:56 PM] me: lol aww
[06:22:02 PM] me: i was ultra busy :(
[06:22:06 PM] me: will you be working tomorrow?
[06:22:18 PM] her: hmm yes but my hair wont be looking nice
[06:22:22 PM] her: i refuse to try!
[06:22:23 PM] her: lol
[06:22:24 PM] me: why was it looking nice?
[06:22:29 PM] me: did you put wax in it?
[06:22:54 PM] her: ewww hell no
[06:23:37 PM] me: i'll come say hello tomorrow.
[06:23:41 PM] me: :)
[06:23:47 PM] me: if i get time dman it
[06:23:50 PM] me: damn*
[06:24:06 PM] her: if im working!
[06:24:38 PM] me: you better be cause i dont wanna waste my time!
[06:24:42 PM] me: ;)
[06:24:59 PM] her: ohhhh i wasted my time today
[06:25:02 PM] her: i didnt even wanna work
[06:26:56 PM] me: awww
[06:26:57 PM] me: lol
[06:27:04 PM] me: you coulda told me ya know
[06:27:08 PM] me: silly girl
[06:30:07 PM] her: sorry got dc
[06:30:11 PM] her: anway where was i
[06:30:17 PM] her: oh yeh making you feel ultra bad :)
[06:30:49 PM] me: i said
[06:30:53 PM] me: you coulda told me ya know
[06:30:55 PM] me: silly girl
[06:31:02 PM] me: so thats your fault not mine :)
[06:31:18 PM] her: no
[06:31:27 PM] her: how was i spposed to tell you
[06:32:10 PM] me: the night before
[06:32:11 PM] me: ?
[06:32:23 PM] her: you went DRIVING IN BALDIVIS
[06:32:24 PM] her: lol
[06:32:35 PM] me: before that!
[06:32:36 PM] me: lol
[06:32:49 PM] her: i wasnt to know ;)
[06:33:01 PM] me: yeah okay. well you can be there tomorrow, if not well too bad.
[06:33:06 PM] me: :)
[06:33:45 PM] her: wot time would u be therE
[06:34:31 PM] me: hmm, i prolly finish 3 tomorrow. or 3:30 so between 3pm to 4pm
[06:35:18 PM] me: don't you get in trouble for talking while working?
[06:35:46 PM] her: yeh but if mums not there she wont know lol
[06:35:56 PM] me: hardcore
[06:35:57 PM] her: anyway i just wanna see you cos like i havent seen you in person yet
[06:36:01 PM] her: well intentionally anyway
[06:36:13 PM] me: so how do you know you didn't see me today?
[06:36:14 PM] me: lol
[06:36:26 PM] her: cos i saw no one with curly hair perving on me
[06:36:27 PM] her: lol
[06:36:33 PM] me: hahaha
[06:36:45 PM] me: funny girl
[06:36:55 PM] me: i'll be waiting for my mars bar
[06:37:22 PM] her: no
[06:37:46 PM] me: i need to go make myself all pretty and have a shower okay
[06:37:53 PM] me: so i'll chat with you later
[06:38:00 PM] her: nah
[06:38:02 PM] her: lol
[06:38:08 PM] me: ooo lol
[06:38:15 PM] me: fine. then see you later!
[06:38:17 PM] me: bbs
[06:38:23 PM] * me is now Away
[06:38:24 PM] her: nah
[06:38:26 PM] her: lol

came back, C+F, flirt, blah blah blah...

[08:11:00 PM] her: :-O i have to goooo
[08:11:14 PM] me: okie dokie
[08:11:17 PM] her: if im working it wil be from 330 n on!
[08:11:28 PM] me: alright, see you later cynamin!
[08:11:37 PM] her: seeya maxine :p
[08:11:51 PM] * her is now Offline

looks like she is interested to see me in person. she was actually expecting me to show? i had no idea! lol. i'm off to see her tomorrow then. i'll be back for updating!
 
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